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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2010, 07:59:36 AM »
takiro

Almost forgot about Rim academies, do you think the Apollo Mechwarrior Institute (have to research the name) would serve the Commonwealth?
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2010, 07:59:58 AM »
Rainbow 6

Well a number of former Rim solders choose to join the LCAF as members of the Lyran Regulars or as mercenaries so it wouldn't be much of a reach to say that the academy staff would choose to do the same.

Would the LCAF trust the soldiers trained there? Possibly not but they could always be shunted into the Lyran Regulars.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #47 on: February 03, 2010, 08:00:19 AM »
There is also the Blackjack School of Conflict.

There were almost certainly more schools - FM:LA P.35 mentions the "9 surviving schools"
There are "scores of Boot Camps" across the LC for training new recruits.

Apparently the War College of Tamar was a large school- it's loss to the clans reduced the Lyran output of ground forces by a quarter FM:LA p. 38

The Coventry Military Academy was originally known as the Coventry Academy FM:LA p. 39

For a Naval Academy I would pick Alarion, Tamar, New Kyoto or Skye -my personal preference would be Skye.

I would also put a military academy on Arcturus to train troops for the Arcturan Guards.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #48 on: February 03, 2010, 08:00:38 AM »
Takiro

You beat me to the punch Irose. There must have been some sort of "Lyran" academy during the Star League era and Arcturus would be a good place for it. Other candidates for military academies Donegal, Furillo, and Alarion as they are province capitals. And we need a naval school somewhere. I was thinking along the Draconis border for some reason.

Blackjack should also be around.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #49 on: February 03, 2010, 08:00:59 AM »
Rainbow 6

Both the ex-Star League acadamies can train naval personel(although Sanglamore lost the ability during the SWars) and Pandora has a naval programme according to FM:LA.

I be surprised if Tamar didn't have a naval programme given its size.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #50 on: February 03, 2010, 08:01:19 AM »
Takiro
Right Six but I was speaking of a stand alone premier naval academy like the Armstrong Flight Academy (Galax) will become for the Federated Suns a role we have vested in the Federated Naval Institute (FNI) on Layover in 2785. Eventually the Alarion Naval Academy (ANA) for the Lyran Alliance will assume this role in 3058. In canon it looks as though the Flight Academy of Thorin replaced whatever we will come up with during the 2nd Succession War (2832). So we are looking for its predecessor.

According to TRO2800 these star systems have major naval installations which may qualify them as good spots for such a facility. Alarion (still young and growing would say no), Alexandria, Dell (many of its yards are being moved to Alarion at this time - might be a good spot here), Donegal, Furillo, Gibbs, Hesperus (not a good spot being a former shared world), Kimball II, New Kyoto (not a big fan of this spot either), Skye (because of the Sanglamore I doubt it has this academy), Sudeten, Summer, Tamar, Tharkad, and Yed Posterior.

Looking at the timing of the established of the Thorin Academy I'd say this one wasn't threatened till the 2nd Succession War with conquest. Sure it may have been raid and it maybe near the border but it should remain in Commonwealth hands until the start of the 2nd War hence the building of Thorin.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #51 on: February 03, 2010, 08:01:44 AM »
rainbow 6

Not near my books(another 12 hour night shift  Cry) but from memory Dell might be the best bet as we know from cannon that the Chippewa factory gets destroyed, just not sure of the date.

Just looked in irose's factory thread the Chip factory is destroyed in 2805 is this practical for us?
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #52 on: February 03, 2010, 08:02:24 AM »
Quote from: Rainbow 6 on July 14, 2009, 10:07:09 PM
Not near my books(another 12 hour night shift  Cry) but from memory Dell might be the best bet as we know from cannon that the Chippewa factory gets destroyed, just not sure of the date.

Just looked in irose's factory thread the Chip factory is destroyed in 2805 is this practical for us?

Well there's a contradiction in the source material- some material said that the Dell factory was relocated to Alarion at the start of the 1st SW. (HBHS, HSSB) Other material (TR3025, TR3039) says the Dell Factory was destroyed in 2805 and a new factory built later in the 3rd SW at Alarion.  Personally I like the first scenario where the factory was relocated- the revisions that have a lot of factories being built during the 3rd SW doesn't really match up with the BT  universe where tech is rapidly declining and people can't figure out how to repair or build mechs.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #53 on: February 03, 2010, 08:02:44 AM »
Takiro

Military Academies for the Lyran Commonwealth summarized up till now.

Star League-Commonwealth facilities
The Nagelring (Tharkad)
The Sanglamore (Skye)

Lyran Also rans from canon
Tamar Academy of War
Coventry Academy
Royal New Capetown
Pandora Military Academy
Blackjack School of Conflict

Captured RWR facilities
Apollo Mechwarrior Institute
Somerset Academy

BTSD Additions
Lyran Military Academy during the Star League era (Arcturus)
Premier Naval Academy (New Kyoto, Dell, Alexandria, Gibbs, Sudeten, Summer, Yed Posterior along with the other candidates below remain. I took systems with academies out of the running already. Also I’m thinking the unknown naval academy should be close to Thorin for ease of relocation.)

Other Candidates
Donegal, Furillo, and Alarion are province capitals without academies thus far
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #54 on: February 03, 2010, 08:03:08 AM »
Ice Hellion

Quote from: Takiro on July 14, 2009, 02:45:50 AM
Almost forgot about Rim academies, do you think the Apollo Mechwarrior Institute (have to research the name) would serve the Commonwealth?

Probably but I think the school would be watched over by all kinds of watchmen (official and unofficial) and I think the soldiers from there would be split in different units to avoid them being together.
What about their opportunities to climb the ranks?
I would say that for now they are limited but no one would tell that officially.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #55 on: February 03, 2010, 08:03:31 AM »
Takiro

Ok, guys how is this on academies?

Lyran Military College (Arcturus) – The first national military school established by the Commonwealth has seen its fortunes ebb and flow with time. Until the Lyran capital was moved to Tharkad it served as the nation’s premier military institute. Displaced along with its homeworld Arcturus its prominence diminished until the dawn of the Star League. While some thought the creation of the Star League would eliminate the LMC altogether it did much to restore its place in the Commonwealth’s military education system. According to some the facility became the true center of Lyran defense enabling House Steiner to maintain its own private military without a complete reliance on the SLDF. The school has had many critics throughout its existence. Many accused the facility of promoting failed “Social Generals” and calls for the LMC to be shutdown continue. The collapse of the Star League and the return of the Nagelring have once again placed its position in jeopardy. Regardless of its up and down place in the LCAF the Arcturan Guards have always drawn heavily from the LMC.

Premier Naval Academy - I'm down to two contenders. New Kyoto and Dell. Both are close to the border of hostile neighbors but never fell and were damaged in raids. On New Kyoto side is closer location to Thorin which could ease such a move but the information on the Bolson Shipyards seems to indicate a civilian facility rather than a military one. Dell on the other hand seems to be were Alarion got its naval mojo from and could have been a major military shipyards perhaps the Commonwealth's biggest. Also opening a Flight Academy on Thorin also serves as a change over from naval power to aerospace superiority seen during the Succession War. Even though it is located further away from Thorin I might back Dell more then New Kyoto. Unless we do an academy at each. Be interesting if we had two seperate academies with differing philosopshies on teaching.

Donegal - Like the LMC on Arcturus I'm thinking an academy could exist on Donegal. Established during the Protectorate of Donegal it may have been completely shutdown or converted to Planetary Academy status. When was the Nagelring founded along this line of thought? After the SL was formed I think this institution may have been restored giving the LCAF another source of recruits.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #56 on: February 03, 2010, 08:03:52 AM »
Ice Hellion

Quote from: Takiro on July 19, 2009, 03:06:24 PM
When was the Nagelring founded along this line of thought? After the SL was formed I think this institution may have been restored giving the LCAF another source of recruits.

The Nagelring was founded by the SLDF but they say that it is the oldest military school in the entire Alliance.

Quote from: Takiro on July 19, 2009, 03:06:24 PM
Also opening a Flight Academy on Thorin also serves as a change over from naval power to aerospace superiority seen during the Succession War.

I do not understand this part  Sad
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #57 on: February 03, 2010, 08:04:12 AM »
Rainbow 6

Quote from: Ice Hellion on July 19, 2009, 04:30:01 PM
The Nagelring was founded by the SLDF but they say that it is the oldest military school in the entire Alliance.

I do not understand this part  Sad

So the Nagelring was probably the Commonwealths academy for state troops whilst each provence had one.

As the SW drags on the fleets are destroyed and ASF/dropships become the dominate space warfare branch.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #58 on: February 03, 2010, 08:04:30 AM »
Takiro

Right Six, I would contend that each of the Commonwealth's founding states (Donegal Protectorate, Skye Federation, and the Tamar Pact) had their own military academies. The Tamar Pact was established in 2235, the Federation of Skye in 2299, and the Protectorate of Donegal in 2314. The Lyran state was founded in 2341 meaning each of these proto-states had ample time to create their own institutions.

I still don't have a date specific for the establishment of the Nagelring but I'd assume it was a Steiner creation cause of the name. Likely it was established after the capital was moved to Tharkad in 2407.  It along with the Sanglamore became Star League facilities. However the blurb that mentions the Nagelring is the oldest academy in the Commonwealth must mean the original Skye and Tamar academies, which had to exist IMO, were dissolved likely after their revolt in the early 2500s. So perhaps the Sanglamore and the Tamar Academy of War are new reborn institutions founded after the Civil War.

Some thoughts on the also rans of the Lyran military education system. I believe Irose and I spoke about having the Blackjack School of Conflict founded during the SL era by a Lyran non-conformist. Someone who had a little of problems with Commonwealth authorities. I see the Military Academy of Somerset being a new Lyran facility established to tap into assimilated Rim Worlders. It is a small insitution so that might be acceptable. I don't see the Commonwealth utilizing the Apollo Military Institute of the Rim Worlds Republic. Just too many non Lyran traditions there.

I changed the Lyran Military College to the Arcturan Military College. Sounds better and more Commonwealth like to me. I decided on Dell as the Naval Institute locale, Tamar has a tradition of military service so that was another plus in putting the Academy there. The Defense Center of Donegal is the original Protectorate Military Academy which like Arcturus saw its role grow during the SL era.

Furillo and Alarion also remain as Province capitals without military academies if you guys have any ideas or approve of more facilities.

Military Academies
The Nagelring (Tharkad)
The Sanglamore (Skye)
Tamar Academy of War (Tamar)
Coventry Academy (Coventry)
Royal New Capetown Military Academy (New Capetown)
Pandora College of Military Sciences (Pandora)
Blackjack School of Conflict (Blackjack)
Military Academy of Somerset (Somerset)
Arcturan Military College (Arcturus)
Dell Naval Institute (Dell)
Defense Center of Donegal (Donegal)
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #59 on: February 03, 2010, 08:04:49 AM »
Rainbow 6

The military acadamies sound right to me, will the boot camps be mentioned in this section as well?
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