Topic: Mini Marauder IIC (Read 10761 times)

masterarminas · « **on:** July 08, 2021, 07:45:58 PM »

Since the design contest this week is for the Marauder, I thought I would see how much we could shrink a Clan Marauder while keeping the same damage profile.

Turns out, we can go down by about 20 tons, while keeping almost the same (overall, but not the same per location!) armor as the MAD-3R (182 points on my design vs 184 on the MAD-3R), boosting speed by 50% (6/9 movement profile instead of 4/6), and having the same amount of damage delivered . . . while being almost heat neutral as well (30 sinked vs 31 max generated)!

The three long-range guns (LB-5X, twin ER Large Lasers) have a greater range, but the twin ER Small Lasers have a shorter range. Still, the max damage of the two are identical and the only range where this is not true (and the MAD-3R could reach) is hexes 7-9!

Of course, my Mini Marauder IIC costs more (11,890,025 C-Bills vs 6,631,750 C-Bills) and is worth more in BV (1,855 vs 1,363). You have to decide for yourself if the increase in weapons range (overall) and increased speed is worth that cost.

Anyway, hope ya'll enjoy this thought exercise! Good hunting!

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Mini Marauder IIC 

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-D-A
Production Year: 3070
Dry Cost: 11,866,025 C-Bills
Total Cost: 11,890,025 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,855

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 330 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Maximum Speed: 97.2 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    2  ER Large Lasers
    1  LB 5-X AC
    2  ER Small Lasers
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    91 points                3.00
    Internal Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             330                      12.50
    Walking MP: 6
    Running MP: 9
    Jumping MP: 0 
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             15(30)                    5.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA    R: SH+UA+LA
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 182                  9.50
    Armor Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
    CASE Locations: RT                                                     0.00

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     18           28        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  7         
                                           L/R Torso     13           20        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     9            18        
                                             L/R Leg     13           25        

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ER Large Laser                               RA        12        1         4.00
ER Small Laser                               RA        2         1         0.50
ER Large Laser                               LA        12        1         4.00
ER Small Laser                               LA        2         1         0.50
LB 5-X AC                                    RT        1         4         7.00
@LB 5-X (Cluster) (20)                       RT        -         1         1.00
@LB 5-X (Slug) (20)                          RT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 17

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 19
6          4       4       3       0      2     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

I found out I can use a standard engine (not XL) and a 5/8 speed and it will be cheaper in C-Bills than the MAD-3R (5,467,342 C-Bills), but almost the same in BV as the 6/9 XL design (1,805). Have to give up two DHS, however, but max overheat is still just +5. Which ain't too bad.

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Mini Marauder IIC (SFE) 

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-D-A
Production Year: 3070
Dry Cost: 5,443,342 C-Bills
Total Cost: 5,467,342 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,805

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 275 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    2  ER Large Lasers
    1  LB 5-X AC
    2  ER Small Lasers
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    91 points                3.00
    Internal Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine:             Fusion Engine                275                      15.50
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 0 
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             13(26)                    3.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA    R: SH+UA+LA
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 182                  9.50
    Armor Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
    CASE Locations: RT                                                     0.00

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     18           28        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  7         
                                           L/R Torso     13           20        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     9            18        
                                             L/R Leg     13           25        

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ER Large Laser                               RA        12        1         4.00
ER Small Laser                               RA        2         1         0.50
ER Large Laser                               LA        12        1         4.00
ER Small Laser                               LA        2         1         0.50
LB 5-X AC                                    RT        1         4         7.00
@LB 5-X (Cluster) (20)                       RT        -         1         1.00
@LB 5-X (Slug) (20)                          RT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 21

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 18
5          4       4       3       0      2     0   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

Takiro · « **Reply #1 on:** July 08, 2021, 10:37:15 PM »

Interesting masterarminas, with the standard engine it could be a nice PGC 'Mech focusing on long range defense. I like the concept but I'd call another name of course and what Clan would manufacture it.... the Wolves cause they like Marauders?

Bradshaw · « **Reply #2 on:** July 09, 2021, 10:34:49 AM »

I like the idea of a Mini-Marauder IIC for the Clans I had played around with the design myself when coming up with designs before my vacation. As I wasn't around when any IIC variants were being contested on here I've played around with some of my favorites. I've always liked the appearance of the Marauder but preferred other designs in the tonnage area for actual combat. The Clans with their advantages in tech make a nasty one. I went with 60 tons as I like commonality of the 300 rated engines plus even numbers make Endo more effective.

Not as heat effective but when are the Clans ever that way. Seem to prefer knockout power to staying power in their designs.

If I'd chose a Clan to produce my bias shows and I'd say Star Adder

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Marauder IIC

Mass: 60 tons
Chassis: Endo Steel Biped
Power Plant: 300 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Jump Jets: None
     Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     2 ER PPC
     1 Large Pulse Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 2845
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-F-D-D
Cost: 6,088,000 C-bills

Type: Marauder IIC
Technology Base: Clan (Standard) 
Tonnage: 60
Battle Value: 2,430

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure            Endo Steel              3
Engine                        300 Fusion             19
	Walking MP: 5
	Running MP: 8
	Jumping MP: 0
Double Heat Sink              14 [28]                 4
Gyro                                                  3
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor (Ferro)          192                    10

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    3         9     
     Center Torso            20        30    
     Center Torso (rear)               9     
     R/L Torso               14        21    
     R/L Torso (rear)                  6     
     R/L Arm                 10        20    
     R/L Leg                 14        25    

Weapons              Location  Critical   Heat    Tonnage	
ER PPC                   LA        2        15      6.0   
ER PPC                   RA        2        15      6.0   
Large Pulse Laser        LT        2        10      6.0   
2 Double Heat Sink       RT        4        -       2.0

Takiro · « **Reply #3 on:** July 09, 2021, 03:06:10 PM »

While I like the 60 ton chassis especially with the good old 300 Fusion Engine masterarminas loadout is superior to me because of its range and cool running nature. His ER Larges strike out to 25 hexes while the LB-5X AC hit at 24 hexes while generating 25 heat. Your weaponry while harder hitting has a little less range and a lot more heat, 40 total, which it can't deal with. If you straight out adopted masterarminas' weaponry then I'd say yes.

Getting back to the 55 tonner originally put forward by masterarminas why don't we mix the Marauder with another Mech like the Shadow Hawk or Griffin? Using the old Core Tek 275 Fusion Engine is a nice basis here for the combo and it gives it a Jade Falcon feel with those bird Mechs providing inspiration.

Ice Hellion · « **Reply #4 on:** July 10, 2021, 02:09:22 AM »

Quote from: Takiro on July 09, 2021, 03:06:10 PM

Getting back to the 55 tonner originally put forward by masterarminas why don't we mix the Marauder with another Mech like the Shadow Hawk or Griffin? Using the old Core Tek 275 Fusion Engine is a nice basis here for the combo and it gives it a Jade Falcon feel with those bird Mechs providing inspiration.

I had the same idea: more speed than MasterArminas' design but more punch.
I will see what I can do.

Bradshaw · « **Reply #5 on:** July 10, 2021, 08:29:44 AM »

I'll give range advantage but can do similar damage as well at heat neutral plus in certain situations can go overheat for an additional knockout punch.

Takiro · « **Reply #6 on:** July 10, 2021, 09:10:45 AM »

You only have 14 Double Heat Sinks and the first things that come into range is the ER PPCs. 30 Heat and running produces a slight overheat of a plus 4. Got no huge problem with that as you could alternate fire. That reduces your effectiveness already somewhat.

Bigger problem is when you come into range with the Large Pulse. You can never Alpha Strike as your over by 14 the moment you do. Desperate situations means you say screw it once sure but that means your losing.

The 25 damage that masterarminas produces is constant other than ammo concerns. Your average damage is about 25 as well but at shorter range.

Bradshaw · « **Reply #7 on:** July 10, 2021, 12:00:56 PM »

So putzing around after I remember there was an official Marauder IIC, with that horrible art. This is what I think the Canon Marauder IIC should have done instead of bumping up to 85 tons. Mirrored after the Officer Pods for the Zentradi. Just couldn't fit the extra cannons which I would think might be Machine guns or some type of AC/2.

Marauder Glaug

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Mass: 80 tons
Chassis: Endo Steel Biped
Power Plant: 320 XL
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Jump Jets: None
     Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     1 ER PPC
     2 LB 5-X AC
     2 Large Pulse Laser
     1 Streak SRM 6
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3053
Cost: 19,322,400 C-bills

Battle Value: 2,402

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure            Endo Steel              4
Engine                        320 XL               11.5
	Walking MP: 4
	Running MP: 6
	Jumping MP: 0
Double Heat Sink              18 [36]                 8
Gyro                                                  4
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor (Ferro)          220                  11.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    3         9     
     Center Torso            25        33    
     Center Torso (rear)               10    
     R/L Torso               17        25    
     R/L Torso (rear)                  7     
     R/L Arm                 13        22    
     R/L Leg                 17        30    

Weapons                 Location  Critical   Heat    Tonnage	
ER PPC                      RT        2        15      6.0   
LB 5-X AC                   LA        4        1       7.0   
LB 5-X AC                   RA        4        1       7.0   
Large Pulse Laser           RA        2        10      6.0   
Large Pulse Laser           LA        2        10      6.0   
Streak SRM 6                CT        2        4       3.0   
LB 5-X AC Ammo (20)         RT        1        -       1.0   
LB 5-X AC Ammo (20)         LT        1        -       1.0   
Streak SRM 6 Ammo (15)      LT        1        -       1.0   
CASE                        LT        0        -       0.0   
CASE                        RT        0        -       0.0   
Double Heat Sink            LA        2        -       1.0   
Double Heat Sink            LT        2        -       1.0   
Double Heat Sink            RL        2        -       1.0   
Double Heat Sink            RA        2        -       1.0   
Double Heat Sink            RT        2        -       1.0   
Double Heat Sink            LL        2        -       1.0

https://robotech.fandom.com/wiki/Officer_Battlepod

masterarminas · « **Reply #8 on:** July 10, 2021, 01:56:25 PM »

Quote from: Takiro on July 08, 2021, 10:37:15 PM

Interesting masterarminas, with the standard engine it could be a nice PGC 'Mech focusing on long range defense. I like the concept but I'd call another name of course and what Clan would manufacture it.... the Wolves cause they like Marauders?

Probably the Wolves . . . maybe the Ghost Bears as well? And I have posted the Standard Fusion Engine (5/8/0) version above in the original post. As for a name . . . well, I wasn't planning to get into a lot of fluff for it, just posting some ideas since our biweekly contest is the Marauder this time around.

Still, how about Thunder Hound? Sure, I've used it before (in a lighter 'Mech), but it fits with Clan Wolf (kind of, anyway).

Dragon Cat · « **Reply #9 on:** July 10, 2021, 06:55:08 PM »

I like these

masterarminas · « **Reply #10 on:** July 10, 2021, 08:24:43 PM »

Looking at the base chassis, I got to wondering how it would work with other 'Mechs. Playing around with Solaris Skunkworks, I came up with a Warhammer IIC that shows it works pretty good.

Armor protection is greater than the WHM-6R (182 points vs. 160), heat dissipation is better (max overheat +14 vs + 16), max weapons damage is slightly higher (54 vs 52), speed is higher (5/8 vs 4/6), cost is lower (5,766,942 C-Bills vs 6,051,383 C-Bills). Pretty much the only drawback is the BV is higher (1,972 vs 1,299).

Range on the Streak SRM-6 and ER Large Lasers push past what the old WHM-6R could reach, and while the ER Small Lasers have a shorter range, both the Small Pulse Lasers and AP Gauss Rifles have a longer range!

And with 13 DHS (26 sinked), we can fire both ER Large at range while running and remain heat neutral, and in close fire all shorter-ranged guns and one ER Large and be heat-neutral before movement (IF the Streak-6 locks onto target!).

Which, in my opinion, is pretty good for what should be a second-line Clan BattleMech . . . or even a Garrison BattleMech!

Let me know what ya'll think.

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Mini Warhammer IIC (SFE) 

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 3070
Dry Cost: 5,709,942 C-Bills
Total Cost: 5,766,942 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,972

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 275 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    2  ER Large Lasers
    1  Streak SRM-6
    2  ER Small Lasers
    2  Small Pulse Lasers
    2  AP Gauss Rifles
    1  ECM Suite
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    91 points                3.00
    Internal Locations: 2 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine:             Fusion Engine                275                      15.50
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 0 
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             13(26)                    3.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA    R: SH+UA+LA
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 182                  9.50
    Armor Locations: 1 LT, 2 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
    CASE Locations: LT, RT                                                 0.00

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     18           28        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  7         
                                           L/R Torso     13           20        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     9            18        
                                             L/R Leg     13           25        

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ER Large Laser                               RA        12        1         4.00
ER Large Laser                               LA        12        1         4.00
ER Small Laser                               RT        2         1         0.50
Small Pulse Laser                            RT        2         1         1.00
AP Gauss Rifle                               RT        1         1         0.50
Streak SRM-6                                 RT        4         2         3.00
ER Small Laser                               LT        2         1         0.50
Small Pulse Laser                            LT        2         1         1.00
AP Gauss Rifle                               LT        1         1         0.50
ECM Suite                                    CT        0         1         1.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15)                           RT        -         1         1.00
@AP Gauss Rifle (40)                         CT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 18

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 20
5          4       4       2       0      2     2   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: ECM, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

Ice Hellion · « **Reply #11 on:** July 11, 2021, 04:40:10 AM »

Quote from: masterarminas on July 10, 2021, 08:24:43 PM

Which, in my opinion, is pretty good for what should be a second-line Clan BattleMech . . . or even a Garrison BattleMech!

Which means the Scientist Caste is not that good.

Takiro · « **Reply #12 on:** July 11, 2021, 09:41:59 AM »

You certainly are sticking with the 55 tanners here MA

Ice Hellion · « **Reply #13 on:** July 15, 2021, 04:20:41 PM »

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Tachi 

Mass: 55 tons
Tech Base: Clan
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: F/X-F-D-D
Production Year: 3025
Dry Cost: 5 768 067 C-Bills
Total Cost: 5 768 067 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2 379

Chassis: Falcon 55-1ES Endo-Steel
Power Plant: CoreTek 275 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 54,0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86,4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Compound Alpha Ferro-Fibrous Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    2 Eagle Craft Group/Talon 5 ER PPCs
    4 Eagle Craft Group/Series 7J ER Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Eagle Craft Group
    Primary Factory: Ironhold
Communications System: Falcon Talk 2
Targeting and Tracking System: Falcon Eye 2

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    91 points                3,00
    Internal Locations: 1 HD, 2 LT, 4 RT
Engine:             Fusion Engine                275                      15,50
    Walking MP: 5
    Running MP: 8
    Jumping MP: 0 
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             15(30)                    5,00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 CT, 1 LT, 1 LL, 1 RL
Gyro:               Standard                                               3,00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3,00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA    R: SH+UA+LA
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 182                  9,50
    Armor Locations: 4 LT, 3 RT

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     18           28        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  7         
                                           L/R Torso     13           19        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  7         
                                             L/R Arm     9            18        
                                             L/R Leg     13           25        

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ER Medium Laser                              RT        5         1         1,00
ER Medium Laser                              LT        5         1         1,00
ER Medium Laser                              RA        5         1         1,00
ER PPC                                       RA        15        2         6,00
ER Medium Laser                              LA        5         1         1,00
ER PPC                                       LA        15        2         6,00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 19

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 24
5          4       4       2       0      2     2   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

Takiro · « **Reply #14 on:** July 15, 2021, 05:11:13 PM »

Interesting Ice Hellion, have any further thoughts behind this Jade Falcon design?

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