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Takiro - Amphigean Light Assault Group = Mercenaries « on: January 11, 2008, 08:12:29 PM »

Hey gang I was just over on the CBT forums and the guys were talking over this unit from the Draconis Combine. I never knew they were detailed in the Galtor Campaign as mercenaries and retconned to a line unit formed by Jinjiro Kurita.

Interested to hear what you think? What would the affect be in our universe??

Techwarrior Re: Amphigean Light Assault Group = Mercenaries « Reply #1 on: January 11, 2008, 11:25:27 PM »

Wow! Think you were stretching it a bit there. That was a razor thin proposal. House Kurita absorbs the mercenaries? or Maybe it is just me and my attitude about the Draconis Combine.

Ice Hellion Re: Amphigean Light Assault Group = Mercenaries « Reply #2 on: January 12, 2008, 07:32:18 AM »

For the CBT Universe, just look at what Failure16 wrote:
The LAG, as originally set up in The Galtor Campaign, were a refreshing take on mercenary operators in BattleTech, and could have really set the Battletech universe along the right path in that regard.

The problem is, as of Field Manual:  Draconis Combine, that was all retconned and they are now simply a House Unit (pg. 94).  They are now, and always will be, a DCMS line brigade, instituted by Jinjiro Kurita--and using almost solely Light and lightweight Medium BattleMechs.  This is a direct contravention of the data available in Galtor and 4SW.

It also my living example of why it is preposterous for writers to not be held accountable for early fluff when writing updated material.  If someone is given a mission, provide them with the relevent materials and have them return it.  Or furnish photocopies, or scans...but I digress.

In Shattered Dawn, I would say it is a good idea but we should make it happen earlier.

Takiro Re: Amphigean Light Assault Group = Mercenaries « Reply #3 on: January 12, 2008, 07:52:40 AM »

Quote from: Techwarrior on January 11, 2008, 11:25:27 PM
Wow! Think you were stretching it a bit there. That was a razor thin proposal. House Kurita absorbs the mercenaries? or Maybe it is just me and my attitude about the Draconis Combine.

No your right it is thin but what else are you gonna do. That is such a poor job IMO. I don't like retconning. One of the reasons I created BTSD. I was just trying to tie together both stories but it seems almost impossible.

Amphigean Incorporated seems like a massive international corporation Ice. Would you say they moved their headquarters from Terra or the Hegemony during the Amaris Coup? (Probably the best reason for why they haven't been mentioned) Or during the Succession War? I don't think they would be liked by the Terrans. What would their operations be now??

lrose Re: Amphigean Light Assault Group = Mercenaries « Reply #4 on: January 12, 2008, 12:45:09 PM »

Quote from: Takiro on January 12, 2008, 07:52:40 AM
No your right it is thin but what else are you gonna do. That is such a poor job IMO. I don't like retconning. One of the reasons I created BTSD. I was just trying to tie together both stories but it seems almost impossible.

Incredibly poor- but that doesn't help us.

Amphigean Incorporated seems like a massive international corporation Ice. Would you say they moved their headquarters from Terra or the Hegemony during the Amaris Coup? (Probably the best reason for why they haven't been mentioned) Or during the Succession War? I don't think they would be liked by the Terrans. What would their operations be now??

I would say Amphigean had their HQ in the DC with facilities around the IS.  Why?  Because it makes the most sense as to why the DC would trust them to raise a merc force for the DCMS.  Right now they are mainly an agricultural concern- they didn't form their own army until 2811.  They didn't form their mech regiments until 2952.  So there is no real need for us to worry about them right now.  I would just ignore the bits from the FM:DC.  (Or say that since they were recruited at the request of the DCMS they are considered more then just mercs, but less then line troops)

Ice Hellion Re: Amphigean Light Assault Group = Mercenaries « Reply #5 on: January 12, 2008, 12:58:16 PM »

From what I read, their headquarters should be in Kuritan space but they should have fields and installations all over the Inner Sphere.
I think it would be reasonable for them to have a financial holding in the Terran Hegemony (probably on Earth itself) and make them create their private army during the Amaris Coup with the renting of their security battalions beginning earlier.
This would not please the Coordinator that would probably nationalize the company (the Draconis Combine would not need troops but money at that time).

I think the rest of the history is obvious.
This way, the Amphigean Light Assault Group would be reaching the mercenary market much earlier (if we want them to do so).

Takiro Re: Amphigean Light Assault Group = Mercenaries « Reply #6 on: January 12, 2008, 02:10:41 PM »

I don't think we need to rush things with Amphigean. They are probably a Draconis megacorp right now. If I had known about them prior I would have tried to mention them prior. No real harm done. We can start sprinkling them in now. Glad we didn't completely miss this.

Perhaps when we cross this bridge we will have a better idea of what to do then.

MK Re: Amphigean Light Assault Group = Mercenaries « Reply #7 on: January 12, 2008, 04:42:17 PM »

In the old House Kurita sourcebook, they do show up on their TOE, but couldn't find a mention of them in the following fluff section detailing each line unit as found under the chapter "selected units". Otoh mercs are overrated anyways. 

Theres quite some difference between merc, line, and some company's security force lended out to a house.

Ice Hellion Re: Amphigean Light Assault Group = Mercenaries « Reply #8 on: January 13, 2008, 05:07:05 AM »

Quote from: MK on January 12, 2008, 04:42:17 PM
In the old House Kurita sourcebook, they do show up on their TOE, but couldn't find a mention of them in the following fluff section detailing each line unit as found under the chapter "selected units". Otoh mercs are overrated anyways. 

Theres quite some difference between merc, line, and some company's security force lended out to a house.

Which would make them mercenaries.