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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2021, 02:28:27 PM »

Cool, thanks.
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2023, 06:35:04 PM »

More thoughts on this topic I had just last month.

As I attempted to layout in the very briefest of blurbs what happens if Focht is killed confronting Waterly rather than what happened in canon? Either a well-placed ROM assassin, bodyguard, or perhaps even the Primus herself secretly armed with a weapon dispatches the Precentor Martial. What happens?

Focht the Villian and the Void – Waterly pins all the bad press from Operation Scorpion on Focht, apostates like Mori, and other heretics within ComStar. However, the mere death of the Precentor Martial is enough without the disgrace to call into question the Truce. Not only would the Crusaders call to abrogate the agreement be bolstered but Wardens like Ulric would likely be angered by the death of an opponent they respected and suspect did not actually betray them. So, while Waterly maybe able to spin doctor herself clean of any negative consequences within the Order from Scorpion the death of Focht both physically and publicly may ensure the Clan invasion continues immediately. With the ComGuards largely remaining in the Free Rasalhague Republic this could mean hostilities resume for that force still battered from Tukayyid and likewise the Clans. 

End of the Interdiction – Remember as a consequence of Operation Scorpion most of the InnerSphere powers seized the HPG Network. Now the Free Worlds League and Capellan Confederation could probably get their stuff turned back on but what about the Federated Commonwealth and the Draconis Combine?? No doubt one key part of turning the lights back on would be the return of any wanted ComStar personnel. A renewed Clan push in the wake of this likely gives all sides reason to compromise if only to try and halt the juggernaut once more. Would the Steiner-Davions and/or the Kuritas even trust Waterly at this point given their inside knowledge of what really happened.

The Master – how does the Master and Primus Waterly interact following these events? Obviously I see him and the Blakist of canon being supporters of the Primus but do they disclose themselves to her or do they remain secret? In any event I see a still largely united ComStar conducting a purge in search of all those who betrayed them.

The Swords of Focht – while a number of Techs would no doubt escape or try to escape a new ROM purge the establishment of a rival HPG company could be a tall order. So a secular Word of Blake led by Mori for example would likely be unlikely because while they have the Draconis Combine and the Federated Commonwealth to take them in they probably lack sufficient numbers to set up a fully functioning counter operation to ComStar. However, I do see a large independent (mercenary) group of former ComGuards setting up operations.

Renewed Clan Invasion

Wave 6 (June 4, 3052 - Retribution)
Following the death of Focht
Strikes down on the remnants of the Free Rasalhague Republic
Tukayyid, Ueda, Dehgolan, and Grumium attacked by Wolf
Karbala, Al, Hillah, Orestes, Meachem, and Fatima attacked by Jade Falcon
Meilen, Keisen, Najha, and Pilkhua attacked by Ghost Bear
Tomans, Rasalgethi, Fort Loudon, Kelenfold, and Menkent attacked by Steel Viper
Tanh Linh, Baruun Urt, and McAlister attacked by Smoke Jaguar (Delta Galaxy)
Dumaring, Babuyan, and Odabasi attacked by Nova Cat

Wave 7 (January 2, 3053, Revival Expansion, follows a tactical pause)
Addition of the Home Clans
Their addition to two additional flanking corridors (Epsilon and Zeta)

   Additional Flankers (Revival Trials next up)
Blood Spirit      1-2   Zeta (Draconis Combine)
Coyote         1-2   Epsilon (Federated Commonwealth)
Fire Mandrill      1-2   Zeta (Draconis Combine)
Goliath Scorpion    1-2   Epsilon (Federated Commonwealth)
   Raiding Clans (Revival Trials lowest combat performers)
Burrock         0-2
Ice Hellion         0-2
Hell’s Horses      0-2
   Reserve Clans
Diamond Shark       Declines advancement
Star Adder         
Snow Raven          
Cloud Cobra       
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2023, 11:30:50 PM »

okay my thought on this

I'm not sure Waterly lives long...  Before a Master Supporter off her for messing up their plan

The Truce Will Fail, because the Clan Pirates trusted Focht to hold his end of the Deal but no one else...

Comstar will break into at least groups.. 
Mori (if she survives) if not another leads to the "Modern Comstar" which Breaks away
The Master controls "Old School Comstar" from the Shadows

The Magic Masters a Merc/Corp Business [think run combo of Battle Magic and Team Banzai]

Guardian Legion = Ex-Comstar Military who want to take active measures vrs the Clans.  Now is there going to be "unofficial" support from both Comstars
 
 


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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2023, 03:53:02 PM »

Why would ComGuards split?
40% fatalities and even more injured means it is not efficient and need to be able to be reequiped, transported... In other words, they are not worth anything for some time, will need reinforcements and equipments, which might bring new old minded recruits (if Waterly plays well her cards).
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in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2023, 04:59:30 PM »

Why would ComGuards split?
40% fatalities and even more injured means it is not efficient and need to be able to be reequiped, transported... In other words, they are not worth anything for some time, will need reinforcements and equipments, which might bring new old minded recruits (if Waterly plays well her cards).

When Bradshaw and I thought it through we had to ask why would ComStar split. Even if Mori gets away you just don't have the same kind of situation with Focht dead and Waterly in command. Perhaps a few Techs might try to escape the inevitable ROM purge that would follow the failure of Operation Scorpion and Focht's failed coup. Certainly not enough to staff the FedCom's HPGs perhaps the Draconis Combine's network and with the Clans aggrieved by the Precentor Martial's 'death' well talk about communications issues.

Any renegade organization, even one backed by a Great House, would face enormous difficulties. They have no fallback position of their own (the Hidden Worlds) like the Word of Blake did in canon and would be entirely dependent on existing materiel aka technology for the HPGs. You could be faced with a Third Succession War salvage mentally which could force said renegades to cannibalize parts from one HPG to operate another. As I said before maybe this is possible on the scope of the Draconis Combine but no way would enough personnel defect to staff the FedCom network. 

I think the ComGuards are more likely to see a defection because of Focht's stature. He built them as a force and lead them to victory only to be betrayed as some believe by the Primus even though the official storyline would be different. That's why I think you see a Sword of Focht mercenary-esque unit emerge following this event.
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #35 on: November 21, 2023, 03:15:00 PM »

I think the ComGuards are more likely to see a defection because of Focht's stature. He built them as a force and lead them to victory only to be betrayed as some believe by the Primus even though the official storyline would be different. That's why I think you see a Sword of Focht mercenary-esque unit emerge following this event.

But technically and from a propaganda point of view Myndo Waterly brought them to their new status and appointed Focht, so if she plays her cards well, she could rally the tired and disoriented ComGuards and brings in ROM to ensure that everybody stays in line.
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2023, 05:01:28 PM »

Why would ComGuards split?
40% fatalities and even more injured means it is not efficient and need to be able to be reequiped, transported... In other words, they are not worth anything for some time, will need reinforcements and equipments, which might bring new old minded recruits (if Waterly plays well her cards).
My take was not so much a spilt of the now combat ineffective Comguard, because they need to reform and rebuild.

Guardian Legion
is part the of those warriors who want revenage and want it now, not waiting for the Comguards to be rebuilt.  Part of the reason that they draw "support" from both sides of Comstar, is both is hoping to bring them back into the fold and as a way to do trial by fire of newer warriors/tech staff.

The Magic Masters is a mix of warriors and large tech/research staff, who now want to do design work for $$$

Both will be heavy ROM, staffing...

ROM = Yes they were mostly the Hard Core WOB true believers, but as we saw the factions that came from WOB I expect some Modernized "ROM" to defect to "Rebel" Comstar.  For their own safety, hopefully the "Rebel" Comstar shoots them all..

Waterly won't survive 6 months, before 1 of the Master Hands removes her, most likely either a Martyr Death, or a Horrible Accident like her transport plows into liquid propane tank farm.  The reason Operation Scorpion failed and publicly blackened the name of Comstar.  And showed everyone we are not the savior of mankind, nor innocent of actions against the Houses.   
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2023, 09:16:08 PM »

The ComGuards could very well be combat ineffective as they lost their commander and now face a renewed Clan invasion. I laid this out in my first post back here.

Renewed Clan Invasion

Wave 6 (June 4, 3052 - Retribution)
Following the death of Focht
Strikes down on the remnants of the Free Rasalhague Republic
Tukayyid, Ueda, Dehgolan, and Grumium attacked by Wolf
Karbala, Al, Hillah, Orestes, Meachem, and Fatima attacked by Jade Falcon
Meilen, Keisen, Najha, and Pilkhua attacked by Ghost Bear
Tomans, Rasalgethi, Fort Loudon, Kelenfold, and Menkent attacked by Steel Viper
Tanh Linh, Baruun Urt, and McAlister attacked by Smoke Jaguar (Delta Galaxy)
Dumaring, Babuyan, and Odabasi attacked by Nova Cat

Without a clear commander, communications, and all those causalities could they hope to survive this renewed onslaught?
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