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Essentially Ice that is the case which itself could cause a whole new array of events.

Given more thought to the Warden Return and here is how I see the Clans remaining in the Homeworlds reacting to the Call to Arms.

Blood Spirit - Crusaders, no doubt here that the entire Clan would remain in the Homeworlds, seeing the Wardens as most Clans, traitors to the cause

Cloud Cobra - Split, while nominally a Warden Clan it is likely this Clan would experience a Schism especially given the Cloisters with the majority leaving, however their are a large amount of Crusaders I can see remaining on the Homeworlds

Coyote - Wardens, although their traditional values could impede a decision to join the Star League certainly, the leaders of the cause in my view would step up here and perhaps lead the return, perhaps the Crusaders would restore those reaved in the Blood Scandal assuring at least a part of the Clan may live on in the Homeworlds

Diamond Shark - Split, yes they are largely Wardens especially after the Harvest Wars and the death of Ian Hawker but with the history of Sea Fox I say they split, trying to have it both ways half stays and half goes, perhaps establishing exclusive trade between the Clans

Fire Mandrill - Split, with the Kindraa the way they are and most being Crusaders but with a number of Wardens I think you can see where I am going here

Ghost Bear - Warden, essentially already gone with ties to Rasalhague getting stronger everyday, while there would be resistance to them joining the Star League

Goliath Scorpion - Warden, perhaps the most enthusiastic Clan to return these Seekers of the past would almost wholly depart the Homeworlds in defense of the glorious Star League.

Hell's Horses - Warden, yes there are Crusaders here but the Horses have always been a Warden Clan so I see a great deal of them moving to the InnerSphere although a Split may more accurately

Ice Hellion - Crusader, almost certainly attacking the Wardens as they leave without any second thought on the matter

Jade Falcon - Crusader, likely attacked by the Wardens and driven back to the Homeworlds there is a lot of story here to be developed for their return

Snow Raven - Warden, while some Crusaders are present here I really see most of this Clan as Warden devotees leaving for the Outworlds as they did in canon

Star Adder - Crusader, always Crusaders I see them as planning the invasion of the false Star League and one day leading that glorious attack

Steel Viper - Crusader, this one I am genuinely up in the air about, as the death of Christopher Ahmed and the rise of Brett Andrews seems to have transferred them into the Crusader camp solidly I place them here

Quote from: Ice Hellion on August 03, 2018, 12:41:38 AM

To me it looks partly: the Clans (or some Clans) become the main backbone of the SLDF.

We were more like shock troops outside the normal SLDF command structure

After posting my answer and leaving I thought that I might have been a bit too quick in my answer.
Yes, they would be shocktroops but why put them outside of the normal SLDF command structure? Why not base the whole SLDF on them (perhaps only the premier tier and not the second line troops)?

However, Zellbringen would be a problem.

If our gm wasnt such a good guy we would have been annihilated we were a merc unit called the wolverines prior to imitating the clans. Named not for the old clan but from the movie red dawn

Ok so here is my entire premise and something that bothered me a little when I read it.

Prince of Havoc (Twilight of the Clans VII) Chapter 4, pages 41 to 45

When Victor challenges the Clans to a Trial of Refusal over the entire matter of the invasion isn't this a second bite at the apple. I mean I hate to be the resident Mongoose in the room here citing legalities but the 3rd Battle Cluster of the Wolf Clan attempted to overturn the Grand Council go vote which went down 32-2 and was ultimately defeated. So how can the 'Star League' just come along and retread the entire incident. They should not have been able to.

So I propose this is where the alternate challenge comes into play and rather than the Great Refusal we have the Warden Harvest. Victor citing the relatively recent example of Khan Vlad Ward and Khan Marthe Pryde (who successfully began the Crusader Harvest) calls for the Defenders of the Star League to join him (the Commander of the Star League Expeditionary Forces) in their rightful place. As collateral he wagers the seized holdings of the Smoke Jaguars (de facto absorbed by the Star League) against any would be challengers.

This is what he has comes to bid, the Clans return to the InnerSphere, not as Invaders but as its Defenders.

Thoughts?

How would the Word of Blake react?

Don't forget Katherine! There are so many fun possibilities when Victor arrives back in the InnerSphere at the head of the new SLDF.

Not really a practical way of waging warfare when facing total warfare.
You can find plenty of examples of that in history.

Remember here the Clans would return to serve as a peacekeeping force not pursuing total war against the InnerSphere.

I was never sure if the Clans recognized the new Star League as the true one.

Your absolutely right with the exception of Nova Cat in canon but what I am asking in the case of this alternate which Clans would sign on to defend the League if asked?

Life ain't perfect Ice and would you rather have the Clans out there look for a fight or under the command of Victor Steiner ready to maintain the peace of the Star League?

Are you saying none of the Clans other than Nova Cat and Wolf-In-Exile would be tempted to return and defend the Star League?

If your a Warden aren't you out to protect the InnerSphere and the Star League from outside threats? Namely the Crusader Clans??