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Re: The Star League Clans
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2018, 11:50:45 AM »
Yes you are but when reality settles in would they be happy with it. Be careful of what you wish for is my thoughts they may not be able to blend in with the huge culture shock
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Re: The Star League Clans
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2018, 04:16:03 PM »
Quote from: Bradshaw on August 05, 2018, 11:15:46 AM
Would they really be content being glorified babysitters you could be inviting them in only for them to be discontented shortly afterwards. They are born warriors sfter all

Bradshaw said the same thing I did but with other words.

I just wanted to say that peacekeeping and Clans make more than 2. War against Clans or other threats... now this is something else.
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: The Star League Clans
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2018, 05:11:19 PM »
So no Clan except for Nova Cat would answer the call to defend the Star League?
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Re: The Star League Clans
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2018, 05:14:35 PM »
I find it hard for any clan really, some individual warriors. I never understood why nova cat did other than mystical reasons. Just like canon though anything is possible if the ptb wish it
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Re: The Star League Clans
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2018, 02:28:16 PM »
Quote from: Takiro on August 05, 2018, 05:11:19 PM
So no Clan except for Nova Cat would answer the call to defend the Star League?

I didn't say that. It might be complicated but my main point is that you will have to use for other things than babysitting.
If you play along their sensibilities, it could work. The main problem being that there is no external threats, unless everyone that tries to destroy the Star League is one.
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: The Star League Clans
« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2018, 04:01:48 PM »
The Star League always will have enemies my friend both internal and external. Even in this scenario when some Clans leave to safeguard it there will still be enough Crusaders left to be a threat.
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Re: The Star League Clans
« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2018, 08:37:53 PM »
Here are a few more story seeds that I am thinking over for this alternate.

Visionaries - The Nova Cats were the first to embrace the Star League thanks to their mysticism but three other Warden Clans are also share a strong visionary connection. From the religious Cloud Cobras, to Coyote spiritualists, and necrosia drinking Goliath Scorpions these seers may differ in their approaches but could they all share the same mission divined from beyond.

Victor Steiner - Among the Cloud Cobra bloodnames is an unmistakable link to a Great House which my main protagonist is unmistakably linked. Could the Commander of the SLDF enter the Grand Melee for the hollowed legacy of a Clansman while he is in the neighborhood and win new standing among those who he means to lead?
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Re: The Star League Clans
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2018, 03:38:20 AM »
I think you'd need descent from the founder of the bloodline or from someone very close to them. I forget the exact connection Phelan had to the Ward founder.

While the Steiner bloodname does descend from a member of House Steiner I don't know that it was that close to the mainline.
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Re: The Star League Clans
« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2018, 06:21:45 AM »
Well sarna.net has this information on the founder of the Steiner bloodname which I will assume for the proposes of this story that Victor has a genetic link to.

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the illegitimate son of Paul Steiner, one of the SLDF soldiers who left the Inner Sphere with General Kerensky. It is unknown when Kailen was born, but he was old enough in 2821 to have fought with Nicholas Kerensky and establish the Clans, forming the basis for the Steiner Bloodhouse within Clan Cloud Cobra.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Kailen_Steiner

I'd have to take a look at House Steiner Sourcebook to see if Paul Steiner was on the family tree for further information.

And just another point for contention here to Anastasius Focht (aka Frederick Steiner), the victor of Tukayyid, is also along for the ride. If Victor qualifies.....

It is for these reasons that I have so strongly included Cloud Cobra as a Star League Clan but Coyote no matter what spiritual sign they have hates them with a passion. Plus I would say they are among the more traditional Clans so I have trouble seeing the entire Clan saying 'Yeah, lets join the Star League!'.
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Re: The Star League Clans
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2018, 04:04:23 PM »
Quote from: drakensis on August 07, 2018, 03:38:20 AM
I think you'd need descent from the founder of the bloodline or from someone very close to them. I forget the exact connection Phelan had to the Ward founder.

While the Steiner bloodname does descend from a member of House Steiner I don't know that it was that close to the mainline.

Phelan was the son of Salome Ward, a direct descendant of Michael Ward, founder of the Ward Bloodname.
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: The Star League Clans
« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2018, 01:41:50 AM »
Quote from: Ice Hellion on August 07, 2018, 04:04:23 PM
Quote from: drakensis on August 07, 2018, 03:38:20 AM
I think you'd need descent from the founder of the bloodline or from someone very close to them. I forget the exact connection Phelan had to the Ward founder.

While the Steiner bloodname does descend from a member of House Steiner I don't know that it was that close to the mainline.

Phelan was the son of Salome Ward, a direct descendant of Michael Ward, founder of the Ward Bloodname.

Checked the reference and the founder of the bloodname was Michael's son Jal, but it was claimed that Jal went with the Exodus because his father couldn't.


The only Paul Steiner I'm aware of was the grandfather of Claudius the Cruel. He was LCAF commander under his siblings Robert and Jennifer. While Sarna implies that Paul Steiner fought alongside Kerensky neither of the two sourcebooks referenced back that up so that could be an error. It would be entirely possible that it was only Kailen who joined the SLDF, the Exodus and eventually the Clans.

And relevantly, although Paul was the youngest sibling, Victor is a descendant. Of course, as a non-SLDF member, ancestry from him may not carry much weight with the Clans.
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Re: The Star League Clans
« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2018, 06:31:53 AM »
Quote from: drakensis on August 08, 2018, 01:41:50 AM
Checked the reference and the founder of the bloodname was Michael's son Jal, but it was claimed that Jal went with the Exodus because his father couldn't.


The only Paul Steiner I'm aware of was the grandfather of Claudius the Cruel. He was LCAF commander under his siblings Robert and Jennifer. While Sarna implies that Paul Steiner fought alongside Kerensky neither of the two sourcebooks referenced back that up so that could be an error. It would be entirely possible that it was only Kailen who joined the SLDF, the Exodus and eventually the Clans.

And relevantly, although Paul was the youngest sibling, Victor is a descendant. Of course, as a non-SLDF member, ancestry from him may not carry much weight with the Clans.

Thanks for checking drak, I didn't get the time to yesterday. Paul Steiner could also be someone who was just made up too, there are a lot of Steiners running around and not all make the family tree.

Phelan wasn't an original SLDF member either but it did impress the Wolves enough in 3049. The problem with Victor participating in a Trial of Bloodright is that he is not a Clansman. He hasn't been taken by a Clan or accepted by one after being a bondsman. While a quick process from either the Nova Cats or Cloud Cobra is story possible I don't see it.

However in this case Victor has conquered a Clan and for this storyline sake is here to complete the Absorption of the Smoke Jaguars not the Annihilation. So by pointing that fact out that could entitle his participation.
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Re: The Star League Clans
« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2018, 03:38:31 PM »
Quote from: Takiro on August 08, 2018, 06:31:53 AM
However in this case Victor has conquered a Clan and for this storyline sake is here to complete the Absorption of the Smoke Jaguars not the Annihilation. So by pointing that fact out that could entitle his participation.

But one Clan he has impressed could perform a Ritual of Adoption.
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: The Star League Clans
« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2018, 04:18:26 PM »
Quote from: Ice Hellion on August 08, 2018, 03:38:31 PM
But one Clan he has impressed could perform a Ritual of Adoption.

That would be interesting - I suppose for story sake I could work out a deal with Cloud Cobra since they own and defend the Steiner legacy.

I do have more on this thread but I just haven't found the time to jot it all down yet. Please stay tuned!
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Re: The Star League Clans
« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2018, 06:21:06 PM »
If Victor was a believer in the unfinished book movement he'd fit right in with Cloud Cobra. Doesn't the ritual of adoption require one to be a bondsman or a lower caste member though?
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