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Re: What If: An Early Peace
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2010, 06:25:14 PM »

If Shadowrun has a megacorporation that could be considered a Sixth World Boogeyman, it'd be Aztechnology. Sure S-K is run by a Dragon, but compared to the dark, behind-closed-doors, hell-bent on world domination, but with a happy public face company - there is little worse than Aztechnology. Minus the blood magic, I'd expect a non-religious Comstar to be very similar in orientation and operation.   
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Re: What If: An Early Peace
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2010, 02:42:22 AM »

I know the name and their reputation as bad guys but so far I only looked at the Dragon corpo and some French/Scandinavian/Asian ones  ;)
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Re: What If: An Early Peace
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2010, 01:11:15 PM »

Check out the Corporate Download. It has everything you need to know about Aztechnology. (At least as much as you can gleam from a SR sourcebook - they're not very forthcoming with "hard" facts as you know. Guess it's part of their charm?...)
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Re: What If: An Early Peace
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2010, 03:01:58 PM »

I read it and I don't think it would fit ComStar as they aren't focusing on anything like ComStar is doing.
Don't you think that going from a Network Corporation to a full conglomerate would be a bit too much?
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Re: What If: An Early Peace
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2010, 09:38:30 PM »

Well we could be headed for an early Jihad as ComStar under Primus Kaprov is not likely to accept such developments. An event like the discovery of a meddling ROM either by a defector or getting caught in the act may be the catalyst for this peace. If you recall there is a diplomatic incident that occurs at these talks which well could have been ComStar's hand. Exposure could cause the Houses to stop their wars and examine ComStar.

Also I like the idea that Roweena Kurita somehow rises to become Coordinator of the Draconis Combine. Her progressive administration might be willing to work with a new cooperative matriarchy. The friendship of Elizabeth Steiner and Phillipa Marik would of course be the building block of such an agreement. Prince Michael Davion was disgraced by earlier peace proposals that he could also blame on ComStar. The weak and spineless Dainmar Liao might back such a united stance.

ComStar backed into a corner may lash out cutting off HPG communications and backing local dissidents in hopes of defeating this united front. However this would likely build hatred of ComStar. The Houses are in poor shape militarily but ComStar doesn't have much of a military itself. A conflict would be interesting but I think the Spheroids would ultimately prevail. How long this takes? Is Earth divided evenly between theme? What state are they left in? And do they start fighting again after their common enemy disappears?
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Re: What If: An Early Peace
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2010, 09:55:32 PM »

Ah, I see what you're focusing on. I was referring more to how they operate, rather than what they produce. Aztechnology is a master of the public propaganda machine. They conduct flagrant naughtiness, (Yucatan, *cough*) but the general public remains blissfully unaware. Perhaps more than any other Megacorporation that's considered "evil" in Shadowrun - Aztechnology manages to do it without Joe Schmoe finding out.

So if we had to pick the archetype megacorporation for Comstar to emulate, (which they kinda already do) Aztechnology would probably be it. Aztechnology is also Shadowrun's largest producer of consumer goods, which if Comstar went more corporate and was smart, would also try to emulate. In the Shattered Dawn Universe, since Comstar doesn't own Terra (and if I were the Primus, I'd leverage profits from operating the HPG network into a more diversified manufacturing portfolio.) military production is a tough and extremely risky proposition. Seeing how military production would be out of the question - not only would it threaten the neutrality of Comstar proper, but also the Terran Republic by association, something the Republic wouldn't allow - building high Hegemony-quality consumer goods would be an extremely beneficial project to pursue.

For one, (assuming Comstar did manage to sell its neutrality to the other five Successor States AND distance itself far enough from the Republic to make the claim plausible) there is a good possibility that Comstar-owned and operated production sites (ostensibly built near their HPGs or clearly marked as Comstar owned) would be relatively safe from the predations of the Succession Wars. The first Successor State to inadvertently bomb one of their plants while invading the Republic would face the threat of an Interdiction. Heck, after a while they'd probably build them everyone.

Not only is Interdiction a great deterrent, but safely building consumer products also adds an additional bulwark against the general decline in technology. While canon Comstar may have wanted to watch the Inner Sphere fall back into the Stone Age so they could emerge and create an enlightened theocracy, they also owned Terra and all of her precious technological secrets. While SD's Comstar may also claim ownership of many of those same secrets, she lacks the industrial base and even the hard infrastructure to do anything with them.

No, by building high quality consumer products SD's Comstar can work in the exact opposite way as her canon counterpart and still achieve similar power. In this scenario, while the Successor Lords are bombing the hell out of each other's military and civilian industrial complexes, Comstar's civilian products would start to gain more and more of a monopoly and Sphere-wide stranglehold due to their relative sophistication and protected status. With the backing of the HPG network and her inherent "neutrality," Comstar can go and sell where others can not.

Surprisingly, the Republic would actually play a small and unintentional role in this development. By merely existing, Comstar will have the opportunity to purchase former Hegemony factories and civilian companies before the onslaught begins in earnest. Whereas canon Comstar only had a few years to muster the military strength to conquer and hold Terra, in Shattered Dawn, the Republican Army is doing that for them and throughout the former Terran Hegemony. With a little bit of breathing room thanks to the formation of the Republic, (and without having to entertain the thought of pursing an Operation Silver Shield) Comstar can devote those early resources to doing what it should be doing best - making money.    

In the end, it'd be a weird Inner Sphere to live in circa 3025 with Star League-quality personal computers and jury-rigged BattleMechs, but the end result would still be the same with Comstar enjoying a public prestige and omni-present power far in excess to what it's physical capabilities should allow. Plus, the omni-presence of having most of your consumer products built by Comstar, in every household and with the information gathering capabilities that might entail are tantalizing. Comstar's spy apparatus would be more automated, but with their high level of protected technology in comparison to everyone else...the possibilities are endless. If they played their cards right and operated a little more like Aztechnology, they could broker all that information for quite a profit, while continuing to further their own nefarious plans...
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Re: What If: An Early Peace
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2010, 10:01:16 PM »

ComStar backed into a corner may lash out cutting off HPG communications and backing local dissidents in hopes of defeating this united front. However this would likely build hatred of ComStar. The Houses are in poor shape militarily but ComStar doesn't have much of a military itself. A conflict would be interesting but I think the Spheroids would ultimately prevail. How long this takes? Is Earth divided evenly between theme? What state are they left in? And do they start fighting again after their common enemy disappears?

If Comstar was smart, it'd play ball and try to leverage itself into a position as benefit the situation. Any large organization like Comstar's is very much like an aggressive living organism. If the environment changes, it'll work hard to find a place to survive. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't, but it definitely doesn't sit idly by.

In this particular case, I don't think Comstar would do anything except facilitate. The risks, if caught meddling, are enormous - quite frankly, the end of the Order and their ownership of Terra. They'll want to maintain a positive public face and to ingratiate themselves into the new political order even more. Not only does it place them in a better position politically, but much like the Hegemony's Aggressive Peacemaking of the 26th century - do the same thing long enough and your reputation is secure. Canon Comstar forgot this lesson. Play the peacemaker long enough and no one will think otherwise.

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Re: What If: An Early Peace
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2010, 06:31:57 PM »

I see where you are going Knightmare and I agree on the PR part of AztechTechnologies.

And Takiro, Knightmare is right, this is a game far too dangerous for ComStar to play.
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Re: What If: An Early Peace
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2010, 08:07:22 PM »

Yeah this What If is hard to make stand as ComStar is gonna do its best to make it disappear. They hold such an advantage over the Successor States at the end of the 2nd Succession War that one wonders why they didn't try to take over overtly.

On top of that it is hard to imagine any one event causing peace at this time.
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Re: What If: An Early Peace
« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2010, 06:19:20 PM »

Yeah this "What If" is hard to make stand as ComStar is gonna do its best to make it disappear.

Maybe, maybe not. Comstar's stance has everything to do with how they frame the peace process. Take the Clan invasion for example. Comstar could have just as easily gone straight to war with the technologically advanced invaders the moment they arrived in the Inner Sphere since the Clans challenged Comstar's very stranglehold on advanced technology just by existing. Instead, they framed the invasion to their advantage and courted the Clans until coming to the realization of the Clan's final goal: Terra. Then the invasion was framed in a whole new light. And by then, Comstar was also familiar with the Clans and realized a single Tukayyid was all that was necessary to stem the advance (as opposed to an all out invasion - like what the WoB planned to accomplish with the Shadow Divisions.) 

Throughout Comstar's existence, the organization has shown (like any other organization) the propensity to react quickly and slowly at the most inopportune time. Take their reaction to the successes of the Federated and Lyran forces during the Fourth Succession War. How long did it take the Order to actively work to end the war with an Interdiction? Or, how quickly they worked to preemptively prepare for the next War (of 3039) via their dealings with the Dragon?

Point is, Comstar could be an active participant in said peace or an inactive observer until they figure their next course of action. Typically, when the Order is involved, then so is the long game.   

They hold such an advantage over the Successor States at the end of the 2nd Succession War that one wonders why they didn't try to take over overtly.

For the same reason why Comstar couldn't take over the Inner Sphere during the long Third Succession War - they just didn't have the juice. But really, it's because Comstar's greatest strength - the Order's perceived neutrality - works against any possibility of quick overt action. 

On top of that it is hard to imagine any one event causing peace at this time.

Well, that's the rub. I mean, it is possible. There really isn't a reason for a 2nd or 3rd Succession War other than to continue to ruin the Inner Sphere's industrial base so that BattleTech 2nd Ed. would be fun to play and have a sweet storyline.
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Re: What If: An Early Peace
« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2010, 07:06:12 PM »

For the same reason why Comstar couldn't take over the Inner Sphere during the long Third Succession War - they just didn't have the juice. But really, it's because Comstar's greatest strength - the Order's perceived neutrality - works against any possibility of quick overt action. 

And the manpower.
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The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: What If: An Early Peace
« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2010, 02:21:49 AM »


But really, it's because Comstar's greatest strength - the Order's perceived neutrality - works against any possibility of quick overt action. 


This.

While I can see C* establishing the Com Guards and Militia either overtly or secretly for the defense of Terra they would(in my view) be a solely defensive organization.
After all rampaging hordes of white C* BattleMechs would hardly improve the Order's reputation.
With overt action out of question C* might either accept the New Earth Accords or resort to covert operations in typical ROM-Style.

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Re: What If: An Early Peace
« Reply #27 on: December 25, 2010, 05:39:23 AM »

With overt action out of question C* might either accept the New Earth Accords or resort to covert operations in typical ROM-Style.

Or the Shadowrun style.
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Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: What If: An Early Peace
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2010, 11:12:06 AM »

With overt action out of question C* might either accept the New Earth Accords or resort to covert operations in typical ROM-Style.

Or the Shadowrun style.

Boo-yah!

Way to hit it on the head Ice, Hess!

While I can see C* establishing the Com Guards and Militia either overtly or secretly for the defense of Terra they would(in my view) be a solely defensive organization.

Just like the canon release of the ComGuards - they were deployed piecemeal (lance or company-sized) across the Inner Sphere - misleading observers as to their actual size and scope. While their deployment wouldn't go unnoticed by the Great Houses, it's all about the PR spin.

After all rampaging hordes of white C* BattleMechs would hardly improve the Order's reputation.

Operation Scorpion certainly proved that.
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