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What if Focht 'dies'?
« on: February 28, 2021, 04:41:45 PM »

So one of the thoughts I've been playing around with recently is that Focht returns to Earth after Tukayyid to confront Waterly about Operation Scorpion but instead of him killing her it is him that is struck down. Yeah I know that he secured Terra before he returned but the near omnipresent Word of Blake not having at least one well placed assassin nearby just seems like an opportunity missed. So as he draws his pistol it is he who 'suffers a cerebral brain hemorrhage' and dies at the hands of this blessed security guard saving Primus Waterly and perhaps avoiding the Schism or changing it altogether. At the very least a crackdown would occur on spies like Mori and apostates within the Order who if lucky may indeed flee. What do you think?
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2021, 05:30:58 PM »

I think ComStar would hold together but develop into the Word of Blake without the name the MD Shadow Divisions becoming their "Elite" forces

I think ComStar agents would continue what was started in Scorpion which would lead to a broken truce but a War the Clans can't prosecute

And most likely the Dragoons die quicker

Biggest problem I see is likely the Succession states are less likely to with her as she's certifiable meaning serpent is harder to arrange

Instead I could see the Occupation Zones as a whole being a target no one singled out Clan

While this would possibly cause a lot of damage it would mean that there is no Jags held out to dry moment as in Canon and instead we see reinforcements brought in by the Clans
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Really, as long as there is an unbroken line of people calling themselves "Clan Nova Cat," it doesn't really matter to me if they're still using Iron Wombs or not. They may be dead as a faction, but as a people they still exist. It's not uncommon in the real world, after all.

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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2021, 08:38:15 AM »

Would the Truce hold without Focht? In large part it was his force of personality and partnership with ilKhan Ulric Kerensky that kept it in place for as long as it lasted. Five years I think until the Refusal War in canon and a bit longer right up to Bulldog thanks to the Wolves sacrifice. Without Focht to represent the InnerSphere in a positive light and lingering doubts about who called for Operation Scorpion which could be blamed on him since he is dead.

I definitely think there would be some kind of purge in ComStar to eliminate the unbelievers and those who would undermine the Word of Blake. This could touch off a war of sorts between the Federated Commonwealth and ComStar as refugees from the order would no doubt be welcomed by the super state. Question is which House allows ComStar back to resume transmission or does FedCom try to go it alone utilizing some kind of rebel transmission company? And how successful would that be without Earth to supply parts for the HPGs.

I could see the Dragoons helping any Exiles certainly which could definitely draw the ire of Waterly.

InnerSphere wide unity would certainly be an impossibility as the two 4th Succession War camps could reemerge with a vengeance. All this probably makes any counterattack a hopeless affair.

The Clans would probably seek and receive a resumption of hostilities as rapidly as possible.
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2021, 10:46:30 AM »

I see Victor and the FedCom staying together now.  Also a closer relationship between FedCom and Combine.  The ComGuards expanded by another 20-30 Divisions in addition to the Manei Domini.  The FRR becomes a ComStar occupied state seeing the Ghost Bears, Combine and FedCom liberating.

FWLM and Com Guards prep for a war against the rest and the Confederation taking advantage of any chaos to reclaim their state.
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2021, 04:30:05 PM »

See I'd see the FedCom split up even more likely as is the Civil War with Victor sticking at home instead of being a War Hero guaranteed Katherine backed by ComStar try horrible crap

I think you'd see the Break up of the Sarna March and the expansion of the Confederation as Canon

St Ives stands longer though either becoming the threat to Sian it should have been or part of Suns

FWL is subverted as per Canon

I think if more Clans become involved the Black Dragon card could be played early throwing more chaos

I think you're right about FRR
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Really, as long as there is an unbroken line of people calling themselves "Clan Nova Cat," it doesn't really matter to me if they're still using Iron Wombs or not. They may be dead as a faction, but as a people they still exist. It's not uncommon in the real world, after all.

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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2021, 04:36:37 PM »

Wouldn't ComStar try to eliminate the Clans like the Word of Blake did? Which would mean not respecting the truce.
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2021, 08:09:51 PM »

Wouldn't ComStar try to eliminate the Clans like the Word of Blake did? Which would mean not respecting the truce.

Clans couldn't advance there was no stipulation that IS couldn't attack clans hence annihilation of Jaguars


Wasn't Mori in the room with focus when she was assassinated?

She lives would be bedlam no confidence by anyone besides FWL in Comstar. Could see another interdiction as she would probably try to bully the other houses, using focht as a hero that Comstar was the only reason the clans were stopped. I don't think you'd have a schism like Canon but would probably see a large number of Comguards leave and probably a small purge of senior officers that were loyal to Focht.

She might bide her time but she doesn't seem the type I think she'd be pissed she failed and then backstabed so she might get vindictive against any perceived threat or insult and assassinate them. Been too long since read novels so can't recall everything going on in the houses now but I can't see much changing otherwise besides perhaps the tech wave of Canon might be slowed due to comstar machinations.

We know nothing about the master during this time I believe so who knows what ramifications that would have.
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2021, 10:05:50 PM »

The Truce was always a tenous thing Bradshaw which most Clans sought to abrogate as soon as possible. Resuming the invasion was always a Crusader priority. Don't forget the Red Corsair incident. My point is that Focht and Ulric were the respected leaders of the Truce and without them the war could be right back on.

Mori along with the rest of the First Circuit was placed in protective custody by Fort. I believe Waverly was isolated in her compound by Brion's Legion until Focht arrived. My contention is that not one of these ardent Blakists couldn't be present secretly waiting for this meeting.

I could see her trying to blame Focht and Mori for her own failures. I don't see her playing the waiting game but the Houses have control of their HPGs. They could break down gradually and be unable to fix them. Again I think Waterly would move to purge the order with loyal blakists backing.
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2021, 09:01:04 AM »

Bradshaw:  I see what you mean.  An interdiction was already underway by Com Star under Operation SCORPION.  However,  Due to the warning from Mori to Theodore Kurita the Combine warned the Federated Commonwealth.  Hanse and Melissa ordered all of the compounds taken and they were being operated by the two nations without incident.  I do foresee problems with spare parts however, I don't think that will become an issue for several years.  Maybe by then the Nova Cats and the Wolves in Exile would come into play and be able to help with this issue.  Hell maybe even the Diamond Sharks.

Takiro:  I think with Focht out of the way it would be harder for Ulric to maintain the truce.  However, even Vlad Ward held the truce until the 15 years expired but that was more of a fear of a repeat of the Smoke Jaguar Annihilation.  I could see a general resumption of the Clan invasion without a Star League Trial of Annihilation against one of the Clans.  I do believe the FedCom could muster the strength to annihilate the Jade Falcons or at the very least push them from the Inner Sphere.  The Combine while smaller could probably do the same to the Jaguars.  Or following the Falcon Offensive, Victor moves with a force to Combine Space to help remove the Jaguars.  One thing a lot of people don't read into is that most of the forces fighting during Operation Bulldog are FedCom (Lyran/Suns), Combine and Mercenary.  A few Capellan, Magistracy, League and so forth do participate in the offensive but not more than a couple of regiments.

I made the Clan and Inner Sphere Force Charts based off of the Field Manuals the scale of the Inner Sphere militaries is massive.  I think the major factor would be the Inner Sphere allies (FedCom, Combine, Compact, "FRR" and possibly the Confederation depending on the mood of Sun Tzu) would be watching ComStar and either in a full blown war to eject them from their space or a very active Cold War.  The Inner Sphere Axis powers (Com Star, FWL and possibly Confederation as he plays both sides against the middle ejecting ComStar and Word of Blake almost yearly looking for better deals on communications) will move to retake control of the HPG Network. 

If I was the FedCom I would locate a world near Terra and begin building a new central station similar to Hilton Head.  (although that is not what made Terra the center of the HPG Network it was all of the ground and orbital HPG's to act as relays)

I might write this as a FanFic as soon as I am done with the story I am writing.


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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2021, 10:37:52 AM »

Regarding the direct aftermath of Operation Scorpion it is detailed on page 74 of the ComStar Sourcebook (FASA1655) -

ComStar controlled 22% of the HPGs in the Federated Commonwealth
ComStar controlled 18% of the HPGs in the Draconis Combine
ComStar controlled 70% of the HPGs in the Capellan Confederation
ComStar controlled 90% of the HPGs in the Free Worlds League
ComStar controlled all but the Tukayyid HPG in the Free Rasalhague Republic

Kasaga I am not sure about the breakdown issue being so minor as the ComStar is likely going to try and sabotage equipment going forward knowing that only they can fix it. Obviously NAIS, the Wolf Dragoons (who showed knowledge of the inner workings of an HPG prior), and other institutions would be prioritized to address the breakdown/maintenance issue. It could be a significant problem or issue in the near term.

You are absolutely right Kasaga about the vested in interest that some Clans would have about not resuming the invasion. Smoke Jaguar attempted a Sixth Wave described in FM Draconis Combine which was utterly repulsed and have a terribly damaged touman at this time. While they might make noise they would do little to push for a renewed invasion they could not win. Jade Falcon is probably in the best shape and most likely to push for a renewed invasion quickly banking on the fact that they could still win but they are opposed by Wolf. Ghost Bear is gradually changing its Crusader tone at this time but they are always cautious in any event. Steel Viper is a Clan divided right now but over the next few years in canon they attack the Jade Falcons more than the FedCom. Nova Cat is also reeling from losses at Luthien and Tukayyid with visions leading them to not be hasty at all. Diamond Shark was just crushed on Tukayyid and ejected from their lone Periphery holding as well so on the surface I count 1 of 7 invading clans to be out for an immediate renewal. How does the interstellar communication system effect their strategic decision making?? An excellent question.

I really see the InnerSphere divided into a ComStar camp (FWL, CC, FRR, and likely the Periphery) and a FedCom camp (SIC, OWA maybe, and DC likely here for now but could come into to play). Both parties do share a loathing of the Clans however and could be co-belligerents but not allies working in Second Star League fashion to take down the Invaders. It's more of a three sided affair which is an interesting set up going forward.
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2021, 10:51:04 AM »

Takiro:  Yes, completly agree.  I also haven't looked at the ComStar Source Book in many moons.  I will look into that going forward should I venture down that path.  yeah I didn't think about the Jaguars 6th wave.  I do know they were hammered hard during Luthien, Tukayyid and wave 5.  I also agree with the Falcons being the strongest.  At least before the refusal war.  I agree with the two camps.  As I laid out as well.  I am just fuzzy on who is who other than CS/FWL and FC/DC.

I also forgot the Dragoons could help with HPG's.
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2021, 01:07:17 PM »

I just looked up Wave Six on sarna.net which does have it cited nicely.

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On the 4th June 3052, only two weeks after the Battle of Tukayyid the Jaguars unleashed Delta Galaxy in what appeared to be a scaled down sixth wave. The targets were Tanh Linh, Baruun Urt, and McAlister. They were the only Clan to even consider such an action. On Tanh Linh the 42nd Dieron Regulars were destroyed by the 3rd Jaguar Cavaliers, and only a rear attack by the arriving Second An Ting Legion forced the Jaguars off-planet in a pyrrhic victory. The Baruun Ust attack was little more than a heavy raid, beaten back by the 6th Ghost Regiment of the DCMS. The 19th Striker Cluster probably carried out this attack. On McAlister the 8th Ghost Regiment was reduced to a single battalion, before the attackers were forced to pull out. It is likely that this battle shattered the 1st Jaguar Striker Cluster. The failure to take these planets finally appears to have convinced the Jaguars to accept the Truce of Tukayyid.

citations Field Manual: Draconis Combine, p. 98,117,118

There are a few immediate issues to tackle in this alternate.

1. Brion's Legion. Focht sent a trusted personal envoy to this main unit of the Terran Defense Force to insure their loyalty. I have no doubt they are loyal to the Precentor Martial but he's dead... Can the Primus escape... Does fighting break out on Earth... what happens?

2. Mori and the First Circuit. Taken into protective custody this group has a lot of explaining to do no matter who is in charge. Mori was connected to Waterly very closely. She was her protégé, how do you explain she was a spy and you missed it?
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2021, 03:51:07 PM »

agreed.  What is Brions Legion informed on Focht?
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2021, 04:02:34 PM »

They are mercenaries rescued by ComStar during the 4th Succession War. There very well could have been a Blakist infiltrator in the unit.

I was thinking that it could be a ROM agent attached to the Primus for security but you could even get crazier than that. We know that secrets were kept on top of secrets by different factions within ComStar (see the Hidden Worlds, Minnesota Tribe, etc, etc..) so there could be some ultra secret group tasking itself with the Guardianship of the Word. Or it could be some ROM agent assigned to shadow Focht since his first day to ensure his loyalty.

It all boils down to how much the Blakists trusted him in the first place and while they may have needed his expertise to assemble the ComGuards they certainly never truly warmed to him or others in their Blessed Order who may have doubted Blake's true word. 
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2021, 04:23:13 PM »

I made the Clan and Inner Sphere Force Charts based off of the Field Manuals the scale of the Inner Sphere militaries is massive.

I think it was obvious from the beginning. To check it, I used your Clan charts to break down the Clans in Regiments and I will compare it to your new charts.

But this makes me wonder about the legacy of the Great Father... As a strategist, he failed.

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