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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2021, 04:52:26 PM »

You'd think Terra would have little forces on Terra at this time, ripe for conquest. Even just an interdiction on the system.

As I saw someone say Wolf Dragoons could provide the needed know how to get the houses up to speed on their own production and maintenance of HPGs

Wouldn't that stick a craw up Comstars butt.

What affect would this on Hanse Davions death would isis and sun tzu still get engaged
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2021, 08:43:08 AM »

You'd think Terra would have little forces on Terra at this time, ripe for conquest. Even just an interdiction on the system.

As I saw someone say Wolf Dragoons could provide the needed know how to get the houses up to speed on their own production and maintenance of HPGs

Wouldn't that stick a craw up Comstars butt.

What affect would this on Hanse Davions death would isis and sun tzu still get engaged

Remember Sun Tzu only wanted to marry Isis for political gain.  I think "Thomas" still didn't want his "Daughter" to marry him but did it as a political break on the FedCom.  It was a long engagement that lasted until Sun Tzu found Naomi in the Magistracy and formed the Trinity Alliance.  Which put him on parity with the FWL adding Taurian and Canopus troops to his Order of Battle when needed.  Without Danai Dying in the great refusal she would still be heir.  However, I think Sun Tzu would have figured something out like he did with the Taurian's. 

Just looked at Sarna for Bulldog.  The Com Guards commited 12 Divisions to that Operation plus the 2nd Division to Serpent.  The Combine had 38 regiments.  The LAAF/FedCom (I would put these numbers together at this point as I don't see Katherine ripping the Commonwealth apart without the other things in play such as the Word of Blake looking to cause as much disruption as possible.) deployed a combined 14 regiments 9 of those were RCT's plus the Kathil Uhlans and the Eridani  Light Horse who were still under contract to the Commonwealth prior to selection for Operation Serpent.

The FWL only deployed 3 regiments, the Capellans deployed 4 along with the 1st Canopus Cuirassiers, St. Ives deployed 2 brigades, the FRR deployed the 3rd Drakons and the Exiled Wolves 5 Clusters.  Another 3 or 4 regiments of mercenaries in support. 

I can still see the FedCom deploying at least 10 brigades (I say this because they won't just deploy a 'Mech regiment) to assist the Combine, another 2 from the Compact and possibly the Capellans.  If only for the combat experience and the technology.  The Wolves would still deploy if they were not going to target the Falcons with the rest of the FedCom.  I can see this Allied force targeting the Jaguars because as Takrio stated they are the weakest. 

Here is the kicker.  Without the Star League backing them.  I see the Crusader Wolves, Falcons, Vipers, and others renewing the invasion.  I believe the threat of the balance of the Lyran, Free Worlds and Capellan militaries moving against the rest of the occupation zones kept the Falcons and Wolves in check.  The Bears were already secretly moving everything to the OZ themselves so they wouldn't want to poke them with a stick.
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2021, 08:48:19 AM »

The Clans bit off more than they could chew but in this scenario look like they get lucky and provoke not a single response but a distinct two power response (FedCom v. ComStar) that is very polar. All three hate each other equally it would appear.

I doubt any actual combat would take place in this Fochtless ComStar vs FedCom world for the time being. Both sides are way too out of balance strategically (troops at the Clan front or badly damaged, communications down or reduced, etc.) to conduct such a offensive operations right now.

It would be interesting to see the Wolf Dragoons and ComStar heretics working together with the FedCom and probably the Draconis Combine to build a new HPG network. What would the communications competitor name be? They'd have a huge coverage area. The Dragoons can also screen the ranks for Blakist infiltrators. 

Hanse's death would still happen I think which would help immobilize any military venture against Earth. The Isis-Sun Tzu pairing also makes sense at this time too as ComStar would be out to bless the union of two Houses with the proper faith in its communications.

I still think it is way too early to consider Bulldog, many things have to be sorted out it this Fochtless world. ;)
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2021, 09:18:37 AM »

agreed on to early for Bulldog.  that's just to show that the Combine and the FedCom have the forces without the rest of the Inner Sphere.  So trying to wrangle ComStar into it for unity sake isn't needed. 

Here is a crazy thought. With CS/FWL/CC alliance I see FedCom reinforcing the Sarna March heavily from units in the Sun's State Command. 

I also see Melissa Steiner-Davion living or at least being assassinated directly by ComStar and not the weird twists from WoB through Katherine and Ryan Steiner.  (At least that's my theory. )
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2021, 12:23:40 PM »

I could see both events but Melissa's assassination might be a cause for FedCom unity rather than collapse.

In the war between FedCom and ComStar here could the Draconis Combine be the first battlefield. Traditionalist eager to return to the old ways are certainly present and attractive allies for ComStar to foster. Knocking off Theodore and his family while safeguarding Takashi who certainly could not be moved on by Theodore now.
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2021, 08:24:55 AM »

I could definitely see FedCom unity.  Especially if Com Star attacks shortly after the assassination.   I could also see the Black Dragons making a move on Theodore and trying to use Takashi as a puppet.
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2021, 10:06:16 AM »

If there was open conflict between Comstar and the FC I could easily seeing the Crusader clans, especially the home ones, using that as incentive to nullify the Truce. Not that the Clans with their interclan strife having a valid argument, but they have always been to see others supposed flaws and not their own.

Technically the 7 invading clans was a bid. I could see them saying that they were breaking their bid and using additional forces. At least that would be my interpretation of it. Could easily see an additional 2 to 4 clans being activated, either with reinforcing corridors or more than likely adding and additional 2 ones outside the Falcon/Viper and Jaguar/Nova Cat ones.
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2021, 10:51:21 AM »

Don't forget the Diamond Sharks was also a reinforcement clan.

Correction. I just looked again the Reserve Clans all came into play on Tukayyid.  The Vipers and Cats actively had corridors.  The Sharks were in the reserve for the Bears.
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2021, 10:56:16 AM »

The Sharks were in reserve like the Steel Vipers were initially. While the merchant Clan conquered the Periphery world of Nyserta from the Ghost Bears upon their activation they did little else during the invasion. Tukayyid was an unmitigated disaster for the Clan and Ghost Bear kicked them off Nyserta leaving them with only deep Periphery holdings and little else.
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2021, 09:31:49 AM »

another thing to think about.  ComStar can't start out the War in an Asymmetrical assault.  Fighting from all of their garrisons or even concentrated in Division size from across the Innet Sphere.  They are all on Tukayyid right now and battered to hell from that fight.  They lost 40% outright dead and more wounded.  Not all of the wounded will be able to recover from injuries.  Call it minimum of 60% of ComStar gone.  So out of the 12 Armies and 72 Divisions they have what 28.8 divisions left?  They would now most likely wouldn't be allowed to return to their garrisons in the Combine and FedCom without Focht and Mori to smooth things over.
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2021, 10:02:43 AM »

I would think at the point where Focht now dies there would only be militia and Brion's Legion on planet. Any other reference for divisions on Terra fought at Tukayyid so probably not returned yet to rebuild.
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2021, 11:04:42 AM »

Focht did a Tour of the InnerSphere in canon (ComStar Sourcebook) to negotiate new service contracts with the Great Houses. It is difficult to see Waterly doing the same except with the Free Worlds League and Capellan Confederation.

I would think a number of ComGuards would defect to whatever counter agency is born by Mori. Likely granted asylum by the FedCom and Draconis Combine these disaffected veterans would garrison the new secular HPG network. However, Waterly will attempted to spin the news of Focht's 'death' in my vision of events just as he did with her in canon. No doubt much of the organization will hang in the balance whoever is believed.

Your right Bradshaw, the only military forces other than Brion's Legion might be the Training Units at Sandhurst and on Mars. ROM security forces are no doubt present as well and Focht seemed to secure everything nicely in canon for his takeover. In this chaotic situation without him to stabilize things who knows what happens? Plus don't discount the possibility of some super secret Blakist force striking after his death. I wouldn't have more than a battalion of Mechs in this ad hoc Blakist response but it could further a Terran Civil War.
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2021, 12:04:40 PM »

I could her doing so, but I don't think it would be a very friendly negotiation with all the parties involved. Basically trying to strong-arm them into submitting. Possibly using a "breakdown" in certain realms during the visits to stress the point.


Wolfnet unfortunately is already used for the name of rival company. Only thing that comes to mind is Packcom or Packstar.

I could possibly see FC giving Version 1 Blackbox as a supplement tech for the company, considering their on version 5 or 6 I believe. And we know Comstar and DC has that at least. Especially DC.
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2021, 12:52:49 PM »

I didn't think ComStar had the Fax machines.  I do know Combine captured some during the War of 39.
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Re: What if Focht 'dies'?
« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2021, 01:59:53 PM »

I didn't think ComStar had the Fax machines.  I do know Combine captured some during the War of 39.

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However, during the war the Draconis Combine was able to recover several black boxes, and would use them during the War of 3039. While not completely lax in their encryption protocols, neither the Lyrans nor Suns believed that the Combine had access to their technology, and so many of their messages were intercepted and used against them during the war.[3] ComStar also became aware of the black box technology, and stepped up efforts to target members of the Department of Military Communications.[4] Realizing that their enemies had access to their technology, FedCom redoubled their efforts to encrypt their transmissions, though it would not be until 3051 during the Clan Invasion that the Combine formally revealed its own possession of black boxes.[3]

So Comstar knew of them but doesn't sound like had any
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