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What might have been?
« on: January 01, 2012, 08:39:38 PM »
I wonder what might have happened in 2338, if the Hegemony High Council had appointed Hegemony Congressman Graham Nellas as the 2nd Director General, instead of Michael Cameron, following McKennas death?
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Re: What might have been?
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2012, 06:16:34 AM »
Well dare I say no Cameron dynasty for better or worst and since the how neo feudal system is their creation it could be a far different universe.
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Re: What might have been?
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2012, 07:01:40 AM »
Also No Star League might have been formed
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Re: What might have been?
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2012, 08:20:17 AM »
The age of war could very well have carried on but no reunification war.
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Re: What might have been?
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2012, 11:52:08 AM »
You could really go anywhere with this scenario as the Camerons did much to make the universe BattleTech. I mean their Hegemony drove the scientific development of the Human Sphere from the BattleMech to the HPG, helped Steiner and some of the other Houses stay in power, created the Ares Conventions and the Star League, started the Reunification War, and on and on. House Nellas or more likely more democratically elected heads of state could drastically change the universe to unrecognizable proportions.
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Re: What might have been?
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2012, 12:26:19 PM »
Do we have any kind of indication as to the potential leadership style of Nellas? Without any of that, it's pretty much just create your own AU. I'm also not so convinced that the Hegemony wouldn't have founded fairly similarly, as I tend to think a lot of the drive for that sort of advancement was Terran motivated, not Cameron motivated.
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Re: What might have been?
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2012, 12:29:57 PM »
Another thought, without House Cameron creating the Star League you don't get the universal spread of the common mech designs, instead each nation would persue there own equipment programs.
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Re: What might have been?
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2012, 05:43:35 PM »
Thanks for the comments, it is not something I am looking at creating, just a random thought that popped into my head. I thought: "What major what if scenarios have not been looked at in BT?
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Re: What might have been?
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2012, 07:19:11 PM »
You mean other than what if there were no battlemechs?   ;D

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Re: What might have been?
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2012, 05:38:06 AM »
If you're looking for cleft points, here are a few:

What if Michael Steiner had accepted the verdict condemning Duke Reynolds in 2467? House Reynolds would probably not have supported Michael's nephew Robert on Tamar in 2505, which would have left completely different dynasties ruling on Tamar, Skye and Tharkad.

What if Alexander Davion died in his famous duel with Dmitri Rostov on Robinson in 2540? House Davion wouldn't have been eradicated necessarily, but with only three children aged 15, 12 and 10, their fortunes would have taken a great decline and House Rostov might have ruled the Federated Suns or formed their own realm.

What if, in 2330, Shiro Kurita had not invaded Rasalhague but instead turned the DCMS loose upon Tamar and Skye? The idea of uniting those two realms with Donegal already existed, would it have been accelerated in the face of the Draconis Combine or would the weak leadership of that era have failed to hold together?

What if Reynard Davion had been commanding the Federated Suns army on Capella in 2367? Would he have died there, bringing his erratic son Etien to the throne earlier and magnifying the damage he caused to the Davion reputation? Or would Reynard have somehow succeeded in defeating Franco Liao's strategy, causing the newborn Capellan Confederation to collapse?

What if Detlev Marik gave up on the idea of a Free Worlds League in 2269 and instead focused on establishing economic links with the Skye region to counter the mercentile power of Regulus? Might a McQuiston-Marik dynasty have come to dominate that region of the Inner Sphere?
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Re: What might have been?
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2012, 06:36:27 AM »
Good stuff drakensis. I'd like to comment on your first point in particular.

Quote from: drakensis on January 04, 2012, 05:38:06 AM
What if Michael Steiner had accepted the verdict condemning Duke Reynolds in 2467? House Reynolds would probably not have supported Michael's nephew Robert on Tamar in 2505, which would have left completely different dynasties ruling on Tamar, Skye and Tharkad.

Why because this is the incident where a Terran diplomatic team "saves" House Steiner by showing up in the middle of a battle just in time to mediate the crisis. While negotiations were unfruitful that was not there point if you look at the HS SB as it implies very close Cameron support. They delayed the outcome so House Reynolds could come to the rescue thus without the Camerons as Blacknova originally proposed no House Steiner.
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Re: What might have been?
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2012, 05:43:51 AM »
Quote from: Dread Moores on January 03, 2012, 12:26:19 PM
Do we have any kind of indication as to the potential leadership style of Nellas? Without any of that, it's pretty much just create your own AU.

I do agree and I was curious about that while reading the initial question.
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Re: What might have been?
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2012, 04:34:33 PM »
From the Star League Sourcebook, page 20.

Expanding their search to include more distant relations of the late Director-General, the Councillors eventually settled on two candidates. Graham Nellas, a nephew of James McKenna, represented the Pacific Northwest States of North America in the Terran Congress.  Forty-live years old, he had served in the HAF as a Marine officer. winning a medal of valour for his actions in the conquest of Addicks. The handsome Graham was politically conservative and an excellent orator.

Michael Cameron, a third cousin to McKenna, was the other candidate, though some Councillors believed he was less qualified than Senator Graham Nellas…

As the day for a decision drew nearer, the Councillors remained split over whom to recommend as the next Director-General, and the debate became more heated and tense. On the day before the announcement must be made, the Councillors were still hanging fire. Because of their inability to choose, they decided to submit the names of Graham Nellas and Michael Cameron to the people for consideration. Privately, many Councillors expected the public to choose the more personable Graham Nellas, while others hoped that they would appreciate Michael Cameron's genius, despite his unassuming demeanour.

In place of a media blitz, the public witnessed frequent debates between Michael Cameron and Graham Nellas. Before the holocameras as well as in the various print media in the public debates, Graham Nellas came across as suave and self-assured, but perhaps too glib in expressing himself.  Nellas also had actual experience in the Terran Congress, a fact he mentioned as often as possible. The public nevertheless voted for the serious and brilliant Michael Cameron by a large margin, reassured by his air of quiet competence.  Incredible as was this upset, a total of three official recounts requested by the High Councillors turned up no evidence of vote tampering or changes in the results.
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Re: What might have been?
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2012, 08:35:49 PM »
The neo-feudal system could be the biggest casualty if Nellas rises to power. Think of it no Houses? Without your familiar dynasty supported by an entrenched nobility you might get smaller regional nations perhaps with more democratic institutions.
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Re: What might have been?
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2012, 12:34:22 AM »
Like Knightmare's Age of Chaos, just without the chaos?
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