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Alternate Technological Progression
« on: March 22, 2020, 11:14:06 PM »
Well the post subject says it all for Salient Horizon and we have a few different driving factors which would include differing events. Before I get to those I just want to work forward with what we already know and apply a dash of common sense.

One of the first developments I think the InnerSphere could make is larger Streak SRM (Streak SRM-4 and SRM-6) deployment which is fairly straight forward and would make sense. I mean look at simply interlocking two Streak SRM-2s which would produce a Streak SRM-4 relatively overnight especially after rudimentary looks at similar Clan equipment. Don't think it would be difficult to get them out quickly say 3054. Streak SRM-6s have a little different ammo breakdown which could produce some obstacles but really nothing different from non-Streak SRMs.

That is just one example but with the deployment of the Blazer especially thanks to the 3rd Marik Civil War you could see a whole different set of simple discoveries like creation of an AC/15 and other unique systems perhaps long under research and spurred by the creation of the Martial Accords.

Thoughts??
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Re: Alternate Technological Progression
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2020, 12:06:38 AM »
Depends how far you want to take it.

Missile launchers are launchers.  Extra-Extra-Light ACs or engines?  Might be too far.  So, how reasonable do you want to be?
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Re: Alternate Technological Progression
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2020, 09:05:46 AM »
Pretty reasonable, although I have my own ideas on what that will be. Here are a few please feel free to add your own -

Horizontally Mounted Engines - A fundamental reordering of the BattleMech's interior on par with the Torso Mounted Cockpit was considered possible but unwarranted by designers whose maintenance and cost issues would be much more than normal.

Dual Fusion Engines - Building on the Horizontal Mounts this innovation allows BattleMechs to utilize two Engines each spaced out over the torsos working as one. Two 200 Fusion Engines would equal a 400 and of course would need a four ton gyro in order to balance things out. [Granted this is far off and needs work]

Enhanced Pulse Lasers - somehow improve the ranges on InnerSphere models

Large, Medium, and Small Flamers - building on the original model I'd like to scale these up
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Re: Alternate Technological Progression
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2020, 10:50:51 AM »
K from real BT perspective I figure these are easy to move forward

the Light / Standard / Heavy gauss. Its just a matter of size in this regard the technology itself is already known.

Same could be said for PPCs

The Machine guns

Cruise missiles hell the Germans had them in WWII can't understand why don't have something just slightly more advanced in the far future.


Outside BT thoughts


Shields, we know they have them on Solaris whether that was a fluff mistake or something else. Say its not as advanced only vs energy lets say. Cap is Engine class divided by 100 so a 400 engine you get a 40 pt shield. How quickly does it recuperate cap divided by 10. So 4 pts a turn. Put it as 1 crit location required per spot besides CT at 2 as well as .5 ton per location so 4 tons.


The most complicated thought I have without coffee yet is, I'd love to see the development of drones. Having a construction similar to battlearmor and in size wise. Would make sense a 'Mech than could theoretically then carry 4 to 5 without issue for various roles.



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Re: Alternate Technological Progression
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2020, 12:21:55 PM »
Um.

The Germans had ballistic V2 missiles; think Scud missile launchers, not computerized, low-flying, terrain-following missiles.

Shields...  Shields might be a step too far.  Major buildings, military fortresses - maybe.  Maybe.

Quote from: Takiro on March 23, 2020, 09:05:46 AM
Pretty reasonable, although I have my own ideas on what that will be. Here are a few please feel free to add your own -

Horizontally Mounted Engines - A fundamental reordering of the BattleMech's interior on par with the Torso Mounted Cockpit was considered possible but unwarranted by designers whose maintenance and cost issues would be much more than normal.

Dual Fusion Engines - Building on the Horizontal Mounts this innovation allows BattleMechs to utilize two Engines each spaced out over the torsos working as one. Two 200 Fusion Engines would equal a 400 and of course would need a four ton gyro in order to balance things out. [Granted this is far off and needs work]

Enhanced Pulse Lasers - somehow improve the ranges on InnerSphere models

Large, Medium, and Small Flamers - building on the original model I'd like to scale these up

Engines - interior reorganizations don't change much.  Dual engines?  I have dual-engine small craft I use in the bomber, Cap-missile torpedo bombers, or space-superiority craft.  To keep the munchie-factor to a minimum I ruled they need to be standard engines.
Lasers - how about a blend of pulse and heavy laser tech?  Extra range from the sheer strength of the beam, extra damage from the pulse, more heat from the heavy laser tech
Flamers - I guess.  Maybe limit the range along with the mass?  Range 1/2/3.  Mass .5, 1, 2.  Damage might be heat for Mechs, damage for other vees and infantry, or whatever rule you prefer.

Why not make a coherent list of desired new tech, first, then we can all debate it?
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Re: Alternate Technological Progression
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2020, 01:36:49 PM »
I used the Germans in WW2 as the fluff I read on Sarna for them says unguided so cruise missiles in name but with v2 scud level targeting
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Re: Alternate Technological Progression
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2020, 03:37:05 PM »
A list is an idea Red Pins, I'll start jotting stuff down. Like thanks to the proliferation of the Blazer in the 3rd Marik Civil War would Medium and Small Blazers appear? I mean essentially a Blazer is two Large Laser welded together. How about MRMs too - do you guys like the canon version or the old video game version from the early Mechwarrior??

Lets talk some events which may hurt or help our little progression here, please add any you feel help or hurt the InnerSphere.

Early Discovery of New Dallas. Thanks to the Fox's Foresight I was planning on having the Hegemony Memory Core found much earlier than canon say by 3055. Would this make a big difference?

Martial Alliance. With a formal organization in place to stop the Clans could research exchanges and joint scientific programs help speed innovation?

3rd Marik Civil War. Chance for destruction here but at the same time a chance for development as different sides experiment with new tech hoping to gain an advantage.
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Re: Alternate Technological Progression
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2020, 04:58:14 PM »
Says on Sarna the core enabled smaller manufacturers to resume production and retrotech.  I suppose more production isn't a bad thing.  But - if you want to help the Periphery nations the retrotech would come in handy.  Besides pirates, they could always attack the CC like the Magistracy and FWL nation did.

The alliance idea is reasonable, but what would it do?  Focus on Clan tech or new concepts for the IS to balance the fight?  They didn't aim to deliberately develop new tech in canon.

If you're going to have a civil war, maybe have the Periphery ally and attack them when they're weak  With retrotech?  Regulans and Oriente could fight it out, or how about CC and the FWL nation (Andurian?) attacking the Magistracy?
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Re: Alternate Technological Progression
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2020, 05:01:32 PM »
Better Rifles?
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Re: Alternate Technological Progression
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2020, 05:01:46 PM »
As this fits in how bout bringing back the LR ans SR DFMs
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Re: Alternate Technological Progression
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2020, 05:02:22 PM »
Quote from: Red Pins on March 23, 2020, 04:58:14 PM
Says on Sarna the core enabled smaller manufacturers to resume production and retrotech.  I suppose more production isn't a bad thing.  But - if you want to help the Periphery nations the retrotech would come in handy.  Besides pirates, they could always attack the CC like the Magistracy and FWL nation did.

The alliance idea is reasonable, but what would it do?  Focus on Clan tech or new concepts for the IS to balance the fight?  They didn't aim to deliberately develop new tech in canon.

If you're going to have a civil war, maybe have the Periphery ally and attack them when they're weak  With retrotech?  Regulans and Oriente could fight it out, or how about CC and the FWL nation (Andurian?) attacking the Magistracy?

Yeah we were planning already bring the retrotech back much quicker
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Re: Alternate Technological Progression
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2020, 05:16:47 PM »
Quote from: Ice Hellion on March 23, 2020, 05:01:32 PM
Better Rifles?

Nah.  They went obsolete for a reason.
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Re: Alternate Technological Progression
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2020, 05:19:33 PM »
Quote from: Bradshaw on March 23, 2020, 05:01:46 PM
As this fits in how bout bringing back the LR ans SR DFMs

You mean Rocket Launchers and (SRM) Rocket Launchers?  I just came up the (S)RL-5 and -10, over on the OF, they're going into my next project.  Don't mind if they get used here.
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Re: Alternate Technological Progression
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2020, 06:24:22 PM »
Is that what happened to that old tech. When Tak posted our old Samurai Wrath stuff I saw the old tech and couldn't figure out what they did with it.
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Re: Alternate Technological Progression
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2020, 07:49:54 PM »
Quote from: Bradshaw on March 23, 2020, 06:24:22 PM
Is that what happened to that old tech. When Tak posted our old Samurai Wrath stuff I saw the old tech and couldn't figure out what they did with it.

The RL concept?  I think they issued errata about it saying it had never been lost, but don't quote me.
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