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Let's talk Solaris VII: Gaming for the Game World
« on: August 06, 2017, 10:45:50 AM »

Hey folks,

Right now my friends and I are playing a campaign in my unfolding alternate universe circa 3052 set on Solaris. I will detail their first 6 cycles as we go but they started out in the 'minor leagues' fighting each other for 'Mechs and establishing their gladiatorial reputations in the Reaches.

Almost twenty years ago we campaigned in a similar fashion and went right to a tournament style championship series where player characters dueled the top competition for the top spots.

Using these experiences and drawing on what I can find out here I wanted to move forward with this new campaign.

Also what of canon material; is there a novel that details how the games are structured and/or how the Grand Tournament works? I have most of the sourcebooks as well as the Black Thorns book eluding to Lance Championships and other Stables. What do we know of other competitions on the Game Worlds??


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Re: Let's talk Solaris VII: Gaming for the Game World
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2017, 01:45:12 PM »

Um.  I have some stuff, but I'm about to head out to a movie for the kids then camping for four days.  When do you need it?

I presume you checked Sarna as well?  Reread the novels?  I was giving stuff away, I'm not sure I have everything for Solaris anymore, but I've been switching to pdf, so I may have some.  I may have to rely on memory for the novels.
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Re: Let's talk Solaris VII: Gaming for the Game World
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2017, 03:32:47 PM »

Not a problem Red Pins. Just looking to talk Solaris. Any House Campaigning you've done would be cool cause I'm always looking for new ideas. Canon sources would be great too. I'm sure we will be here when u get back. Look forward to hearing from you then. Have fun!
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Re: Let's talk Solaris VII: Gaming for the Game World
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2017, 03:53:33 PM »

I remember the supplement Solaris VII: The Game World.
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Re: Let's talk Solaris VII: Gaming for the Game World
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2017, 08:55:54 PM »

Well Ice I have the following books on Solaris which are direct canon sources for our discussion;

Solaris VII: The Game World (Players Book) [FASA1660]
Solaris VII: The Game World (Gamemaster's Book) [FASA1660]
Solaris: The Reaches [FASA1659]
MechWarrior's Guide of Solaris VII [FASA1716]
Classic BattleTech *Mappack* Solaris VII [FANPRO35002]

I actually just purchased the last one about a month ago. I didn't even now they had written a sourcebook that updated the Game World for 3067. Discovered it while browsing BattleTechWiki. Is there any other material we should have on hand when discussing Solaris??
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Re: Let's talk Solaris VII: Gaming for the Game World
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2017, 07:53:39 AM »

The Warrior Trilogy has some information about Solaris in the 3028 era. 
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Re: Let's talk Solaris VII: Gaming for the Game World
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2017, 06:33:17 AM »

Thanks Irose, I'll have to take a look on my kindle at the Warrior Trilogy. I assume it involves Kai's father on Solaris.
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Re: Let's talk Solaris VII: Gaming for the Game World
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2017, 12:03:48 PM »

There was also the fun product based on Disney characters which was based on Solaris

That was based in 3140s though but did detail arenas
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Re: Let's talk Solaris VII: Gaming for the Game World
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2017, 12:57:53 PM »

Thanks Irose, I'll have to take a look on my kindle at the Warrior Trilogy. I assume it involves Kai's father on Solaris.

The sections involved Justin and Grey Norton.  It did have several scenes in the arenas and as I recall a bit about how the mechs were checked before battles.
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Re: Let's talk Solaris VII: Gaming for the Game World
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2017, 02:39:16 PM »

Cool Dragon Cat, do u have a name for the product? Is it canon or a fan product??

Thanks again Irose! I was looking for some structural information on the Games. How are they organized? When do the Tournaments run every year? How long do Gladiators have to build their reputation before competing in the big time events??
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Re: Let's talk Solaris VII: Gaming for the Game World
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2017, 03:08:51 PM »

Classic BattleTech *Mappack* Solaris VII [FANPRO35002]

There are details on how the Games are played and how people are qualifying in this book.
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The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Let's talk Solaris VII: Gaming for the Game World
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2017, 04:23:32 PM »

Thanks Ice, I am taking a look now. ;)

What are your guys thoughts of Mercenary Units being a fourth type of Solaris organization? I know you have Stables, Cooperatives, and Gangs but what happens if a merc group wants to partake in the games? Would they need a 'gladiatorial license' of some type or some endorsement I am missing?
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Re: Let's talk Solaris VII: Gaming for the Game World
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2017, 04:31:34 PM »

IIRC, Solaris VII was a minor hiring world.

Also, get out of my head. I've been thinking about a merc unit on Solaris VII using it as a recruiting/training world
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Re: Let's talk Solaris VII: Gaming for the Game World
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2017, 05:29:42 PM »

IIRC, Solaris VII was a minor hiring world.

Also, get out of my head. I've been thinking about a merc unit on Solaris VII using it as a recruiting/training world

I think that trade died during Jihad

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Re: Let's talk Solaris VII: Gaming for the Game World
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2017, 09:33:21 PM »

Thanks Dragon Cat, I went to the Catalyst Games Store and download the free PDF. Looks like a fun little supplement. Of particular interest is the Tournament listed in the back. I wonder could this be a take on the Grand Tournament?? Among the sources I looked up was FM: Mercenaries Revised [FANPRO10977] and on page 16 under The Solaris Games it says the "Big Five Days" - The Grand Tournament - are the most important of all. Now if you relate the three day Tournament detailed to a potential five day tournament held at five different arenas some structure falls into place. Does anyone have more info on the Grand Tournament?

I make no guarantee Abele, please fire away on your thoughts.

Researching old sources led me to MechWarrior 2nd Edition page 131 entitled The Games which is revealing. The first paragraph tells you a bunch about mercenaries going to Solaris. "Scores of struggling units, battalion-sized or smaller, who fight day after day and year after year, half the time not knowing where their next meal or load of spare parts will come from. Sooner or later, many of these warriors become so desperate for cash that they travel to Solaris VII to try their luck at the games." Now that tells me that battalion-sized (which I believe are the rare exception) and smaller size company, lance, or even individual mercs are the more common size 'units' to come to Solaris. Often on their last legs looking to hit it big before their fate catches up to them. Like playing the lotto or worse these dreamers likely don't often win.

Paragraph two gives us a rowdy frontier world which is accurate but also speaks of a planet which has switched hands frequently which is not correct. It has been fought over obviously but I can only remember the one time which the planet changed hands from Marik to Steiner. It speaks of a planetary government which sponsors the Games but doesn't give any details. What type of government does Solaris have? I can't find a ruling noble which is unusual for the InnerSphere to say the least. I would have expecting the Lyrans to have installed at least a figurehead planetary ruler after taking it from House Marik.

Paragraph three says a few details on fighting itself. There is a 5,000 C-Bill entry fee and the loser must pay the winner a ransom a 100,000 C-Bills plus losing hurts your reputation obviously. Then there is the Purse which is a topic I wanted to hit on. Here it says the winnings are based on total number of entrants with a contestant needing to win seven to nine total matches for a championship. Contestants also receive salvage rights on all 'Mechs they destroy in combat. So in all battles do the winners take all? I thought more established matches like the Grand Tournament don't have Mechwarriors risk their ride per say with winners taking just money and not necessarily the defeated person's Mech. Is that correct?

The last two paragraphs give some loose adventure seeds for GMs and players looking to role play on the Game World. This hits on the various underworld activities from gambling to the rest plus Successor State intrigue from rival spies and law enforcement agencies. I also think a big part of Solaris is the Media too. After all coverage and distributing everything that the planet does must be a huge angle. Wonder if ComStar was behind the growth here? Did their News Bureau always play up the Games to the InnerSphere over the HPG network? If not it would be a major business opportunity for others which I can't believe would be overlooked.

What do you think guys?
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