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Nemesis Company - Taurian Concordat
« on: January 27, 2021, 08:37:14 PM »

So, while reviewing the Enforcer last week (and the Hunchback this week) I came upon Ice Hellion's ENF-5TC & ENF-5TC-U (link below)

https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=3933.msg50324#msg50324

My review of this design is quoted below....

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I found a Taurian version of the Enforcer an almost impossibility just because of the Davions it represents. However, this Eclipse of the Suns is an intriguing possibility for the Salient Horizon universe.  Both variants utilize the Standard Chassis and a 200 Fusion Engine (4/6/4) before going all lostech on us. The Ultra AC/5 appearing on the 5TC is a bit too sophisticated for me and ComStar (or more accurately ROM) losing track of such a lostech shipment seems pretty implausible to me. On a singular basis I could see the concept working but not on the company level as the blessed Order would have acted to eliminate them. Design wise, its pairing with a PPC works well as do the thirteen Single Heat Sinks and nine point five tons of standard armor (152 factor). The ENF-5TC-U is a bit more believable to me with eleven Double Heat Sinks plus nine and a half tons of ferro-fibrous (169 factor) for max protection. The PPC has also been upgraded to Extended Range capabilities and a Medium Laser has been added. This 3050 era upgrade just seems more plausible to me but again would be limited in numbers. Actually, I am all for a singular Taurian Enforcer boogeyman operating on the borders of FedRat space perhaps with other Concordat designs salvaged from the dreaded Davies that are now turned against them. It would be interesting side project to create this Nemesis Company which could soon be a Salient Horizon unit. Great job Ice, sorry other competitors beat you out but real good stuff.

As you can see the unit and story concept of what I call Nemesis Company with some affiliation to the Taurian state or peoples is developing here. Ice and I have been going back and forth on more details of which I will let him post for your review.

I know we have a few Taurian fans here and we'd like your help in putting this altogether. What do you think?
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Re: Nemesis Company - Taurian Concordat
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2021, 04:06:15 PM »

I can find two uses for this unit : a training unit for the TDF or a deep raider/scarecrow for the AFFS (or AFFC).

And since it would be using only few captured/stolen designs, they could be upgraded.
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
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Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Nemesis Company - Taurian Concordat
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2021, 09:55:49 PM »

When were they formed? Your original text cited a 3027 incident meaning they could be even older. Certainly there is the Reunification War to go all the way back to.

Are they even state sponsored? They could be freedom fighters operating in the occupied territories of Davion space. Certainly capturing parts from Davion machines could help feed the unit.

Special Operators. Are they part of Taurian intelligence under the Special Task Groups?

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Taurian_Ministry_of_Intelligence

Finally, the Wrath of Blake is looking for allies anywhere they can find them. Offering assistance to the paranoid Thomas Calderon regime could give these renegade ComStar operatives another base of support in the Salient Horizon setting.
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Re: Nemesis Company - Taurian Concordat
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2021, 02:11:18 PM »

When were they formed? Your original text cited a 3027 incident meaning they could be even older. Certainly there is the Reunification War to go all the way back to.

Here is my original fluff.



Now that access to high tech is easier, it seems that the Taurian Concordat has resumed production of the upgrade kits for the ENF-5TC.
Before I go any further, I will ask you to look at the original report from 3027.

[Terra, 12/12/3027

Dear Precentor Mu-IX,

After many investigations, I found out a rather not so glorious incident in which our Holy Order was involved. How we did not find about it until now is something that I feel ashamed for.

This is the report sent by one agent from the Federated Suns to Hanse Davion who had asked for investigations about some border problems. You will find after each part of the report my own comments.

Just to check about the various strange things in this report, I asked one of my contacts in our research facilities to run this design into their computer to see if it was really, what I thought it was. The results were positive.

Acolyte Mu-I Hamilton Morrow]


New Avalon, 10/09/3027

My Lord,

You asked me to investigate the confusing reports coming from our border with the Taurian Concordat about a new design doing things never heard of. The enclosed file is my report as complete as I could find it.

As you might remember, you received some reports around one year ago about a 'Mech with unheard capacities being in the hand of the Taurian Concordat. You were afraid that this might be a new 'Mech and that its appearance in numbers could force you to move more troops than needed in that area.

Well, after much investigations and reviewing of combat reports, I can insure you that I have both good and bad news. The good one is that it is not an unknown 'Mech but simply a new version of the Enforcer. The bad one is that it really does some frightening things.

Taurian forces somehow managed to convert the Enforcer into something new (through screening their radio communications, I managed to identify it as the ENF-5TCEnforcer) and are using it both as a fire support and headhunter 'Mech. Should I add that our own Enforcer are not up to the task?
 

Capabilities:
I will begin by the most important part of this 'Mech and what set it apart from our own Enforcer: the firepower.

The range of the AC/10 has been increased by around 20%, an impressive effort alone and making this weapon the equivalent in range of any AC/5. Even more surprising are the double impacts seen sometimes on the receiving end. The most likely explanation is that the Taurian Concordat managed somehow to develop a new type of light ammo that due to the speed of the bullet can sometimes split into two halves when hitting its target. This is already a problem if the Taurian Concordat somehow managed to get ahead of us in this peculiar R&D field. Nevertheless, it does not seem that they managed to increase the number of shots but this is not really a relief when one consider the secondary weapon the ENF-5TC has.

Even more problematic than the increased range is the fact that the ChisComp Large Laser has been replaced with a Magna Hellstar PPC. This is hardly believable as the PPC weights much more than the Large Laser it is replacing but I have seen the energy bursts on some of our 'Mechs and there is no doubt about what weapon made them. Another problem is that the Enforcer does not seem to suffer from more heat management than the normal version. How is this possible, we do not know yet.

The only difference seen is that there is no more Small Laser and the armour also seems to have been upgraded since I saw it take a hit from a Medium Laser in the back with no effect at all (something not really feasible on a ENF-4F).

To summarize, we are facing a machine with increased range, hitting power and armour that wield similar mobility, heat management capacities and staying power. I do not know what to suggest as even if our 'Mechs were trying to get under the effective range of the PPC, they would still be facing the power of the AC/10. I can only suggest our forces to never leave an Enforcer alone as this seems to be a deterrent to the ENF-5TC action.

[Surprisingly accurate but wrong at the same time. The origin of the ENF-5TCis linked to an incident that happened to one of our cargo ships (the Light of Blake) full of supplies (KWI Ultra AC/5 with their special ammo). Although we thought that it had been lost in space, it seems that for an unknown reason, this ship crashed on one of the Taurian worlds and the crew did not have time to contact us or to destroy the weapons.

Receiving this as a blessing, the Taurians were able to upgrade their old ENF-4F replacing the old Federation Autocannon with the brand "new" KWI, hence the double impacts and the increased range. With the free weight they had now, it was only a matter of time before the Taurian engineers upgraded the Large Laser into something more powerful: a PPC. Thanks to the low heat rise of the Ultra AC/5, it was possible to make for the heavier heat burden of the PPC and end with the same heat profile as the ENF-4F.

It is our fault if we did not try hard enough to investigate the whereabouts of the Light of Blake and the rumours about this new 'Mech. If we had done so, we could have quickly kept the situation under control with a raid by the ComGuards acting under disguise. To our discharge, I must say that all our energy was at that time focused on the Steiner and Davion Houses and that we dismissed this as mere exaggeration from green troops. If you wish to inflict me a punishment for this failure, I will gladly accept it in the name of Blake.]

 

Configuration / Variants: 
As this seems to be a variant of the ENF-4F, no other variants has been sighted yet.

[And for an obvious reason: the lack of access to more advanced technologies.]


Battle History: 
It is my duty to report that some confusing skirmishes have already happened and that every time our Enforcers have been destroyed by the Taurian ones. However the most representative report remains the last radio communications of MechWarrior Peter Philips from one of the Islamabad March Militias RCT, the first victim of the new Enforcer.

Date: 09/10/3026; 09:36 AM

Place: Montour

 - Sir, I do not understand it. This is an Enforcer and it is firing me at ranges unheard for a Large Laser and an AC/10. I cannot fire back.
- Try to get within range Philips
- I know but I cannot it has the same mobility as my Enforcer. Damage reports coming in Sir. I have received the equivalent of a PPC and an AC/10 shot. How can both of them be on the same 'Mech?
- Philips, try to disengage. Reinforcements are on their way. Philips, do you copy?
…
- Philips?
- Sir, we just lost the signal.


This is a clear example of the tactics used by these new Enforcers. They only appear to attack Enforcers and stay out of range while destroying them piece by piece without any opportunity for our pilots to fire back.

[This is a perfect example of how efficient the new Enforcer was when compared to the standard 3025 Enforcer.]
 

Deployment: 
Fortunately for us, it seems that the Taurian Concordat is unable to have more than a company of ENF-4F upgraded to the ENF-5F version. It goes without saying that they have all been deployed through the II and III Corps are those are most likely to see actions against our own forces, where the new characteristics of the ENF-5F could turn the battle against us.

[As always this report is not 100% accurate, the truth is that the lost supplies were made to repair the equivalent of two companies with enough ammo for a month of continuous battle. It seems that after trying to use normal ammunitions for the KWI, the Taurians found out that normal ammo was not good and would only destroy the autocannon. Therefore, they decided to save the ammo by retrofitting only one company worth of Enforcer. Let me say Precentor Mu-IX that it is a rather wise move from them. However, we did not find any report from such 'Mechs after then end of the Fourth Succession War, meaning that this design was probably buried for lack of ammo after 4 to 5 years of service. A still impressive thought when comparing it to the number of shots that were carried in the cargo.

As a final note, could I respectfully recommend our Order to look for the Davion analyst who made this report? Although lacking most of the information needed, he or she managed to gather enough data and analyse it in a plausible way. This effort should be rewarded and since we are always looking for talented people...]


The truth is apparent from the ComStar report but the new versions of the ENF-5TC upgrades are 100% Taurian with production of the UAC/5 having started over for quite some time now in Sterope Defence Industries.
The Taurian Concordat is selling this rather easy to perform upgrade to mercenary units that are low on budget and has made some money with it, allowing it to launch a more ambitious project; the ENF-5TC-U with a complete overhaul of the original 5TC and no need to rely on foreign powers (save for acquiring new Enforcers to be upgraded).
The quantity of ammo for the UAC/5 has been doubled and as a mean of protection, it is shielded by CASE. The PPC is now an ER one and the 13 Heat Sinks have been upgraded to 11 Double ones. A Medium Laser has also been added and provides a welcome boost in firepower at really short ranges.
Protection is maximal thanks to the replacement of the standard Armour by Ferro-Fibrous one.
The only drawback is a slightly decreased mobility with the loss of a Jump Jet.

In spite of this, this model is becoming popular among all Taurian and Taurian affiliated units, earning recommendations for its ease to upgrade and its efficiency even in the modern battlefield. It remains to be seen how it will perform against more modern Enforcers and if it will manage to hunt them down like the ENF-5TC in the previous wars.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2021, 02:19:59 PM by Ice Hellion »
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
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Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Nemesis Company - Taurian Concordat
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2021, 02:17:05 PM »

Are they even state sponsored? They could be freedom fighters operating in the occupied territories of Davion space. Certainly capturing parts from Davion machines could help feed the unit.

Special Operators. Are they part of Taurian intelligence under the Special Task Groups?

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Taurian_Ministry_of_Intelligence

Finally, the Wrath of Blake is looking for allies anywhere they can find them. Offering assistance to the paranoid Thomas Calderon regime could give these renegade ComStar operatives another base of support in the Salient Horizon setting.

Why not State sponsored Red Team, forming a Battalion Combat Team (the numbers could add up)? With the "Nobles Regiments" giving it its armoured and infantry components and receiving some decent trainings for both these units and the TDF?
As a reward or a way to make them spend their money, they (the nobles) could be "requested" to pay for the upgrades since a long time ago, which would be costly and ruinous (a bit like Versailles where the nobles spent all their money just to show off before the King's eyes and where brought into submission in that way).

However, the patriots might be another idea and we could still use the sponsoring idea.

For Word of Blake, I don't know as Thomas Calderon is paranoid and I am not sure he would accept foreign support (going that way would make the expansion of this unit something more recent)..
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Nemesis Company - Taurian Concordat
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2021, 06:46:08 PM »

Well Thomas' defense policies were said to be ruinous but if you start to tick off the nobles then it could be the end. On the other hand the occupied territories could be a source of equipment (especially for Nemesis Company here) and even money.

I understand the paranoia don't trust anyone angle but after ComStar is fighting the Clans with the Federated Commonwealth happens one crazy in Thomas just might align with another bunch of crazies in the Blakists. ;)
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Re: Nemesis Company - Taurian Concordat
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2021, 05:01:09 AM »

Well Thomas' defense policies were said to be ruinous but if you start to tick off the nobles then it could be the end. On the other hand the occupied territories could be a source of equipment (especially for Nemesis Company here) and even money.

A kind of shadow force operating in enemy territory with revolutionary taxes to feed them?
The only problem is that their hunting ground might be a bit too small and they might raid elsewhere too.

And for the combined-arms, I had forgotten the TDF is not likely to develop such mindsets at first since they rotate their BattleMechs units quite often. On the other hand it would be interesting to have the others components (infantry and tanks) rotating.
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Nemesis Company - Taurian Concordat
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2021, 09:21:20 AM »


Why not State sponsored Red Team, forming a Battalion Combat Team (the numbers could add up)? With the "Nobles Regiments" giving it its armoured and infantry components and receiving some decent trainings for both these units and the TDF?
As a reward or a way to make them spend their money, they (the nobles) could be "requested" to pay for the upgrades since a long time ago, which would be costly and ruinous (a bit like Versailles where the nobles spent all their money just to show off before the King's eyes and where brought into submission in that way).

However, the patriots might be another idea and we could still use the sponsoring idea.

For Word of Blake, I don't know as Thomas Calderon is paranoid and I am not sure he would accept foreign support (going that way would make the expansion of this unit something more recent)..

I like the idea of the State Sponsored Red Team.  You could form a decent Battalion Task Force (Combat Team) or as the euro's call them Battlegroups.  Reading your posts here I don't gauge the size of Nemesis Company so I am going to assume two things.  First this is the company of BattleMechs only and two it is Taurian.

If it is a Red Team then its Davion using Taurian Tactics which wouldn't fit with the combined arms philosophy of the Davion's.  However, you can run a company each of Tanks and Mechanized Infantry to support the BattleMech Company. They can fight like US Red Teams do using prospective threat force tactics and still have to train on American Tactics because they are a part of the Regular Army's reserve when major war occurs.

I like this Enforcer.  I plan on delving into the universe more. 
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Re: Nemesis Company - Taurian Concordat
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2021, 10:07:47 AM »

Now I see what you guys mean by Red Team, I hadn't heard of that term before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_team

I coined the name of Nemesis Company because yes, that is the size of this Taurian unit which is composed of their adversary's equipment.

It would be interesting if we attached supporting forces in RCT like fashion to the company in a smaller than even LCT fashion. A sort of Micro Combat Team. Two Aerospace Fighters would obviously be a starting point to fill a Union. Three companies of armor and five companies of infantry would complete this MCT according to my math. Of course these supporting forces would also have to be equipped by Davion salvage.
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Re: Nemesis Company - Taurian Concordat
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2021, 01:56:48 PM »

Remember you don't have to stick to micro RCT organizations by making the force mirror a Suns RCT down to company levels.  You can do something similar to the Capellan Augmented Battalions, Com Guard Level III's or Marian Cohorts.  Heck you can make something up and make them all transportable aboard a Fortress that they captured. 

Imagination is the limit.  This way you can keep them mobile and effective.  You start throwing that many infantrymen and armored vehicles around you make it ungainly when deploying from transports.  I'm thinking strictly story driven and not table top.  I would say something in the combined arms battalion range would be perfect.  Even if you say give it two companies of armor and one of Mechanized infantry with running a couple of Unions would allow for some fighters.  Just think of how you want to envision them and go for it.  Nothing has to be perfect. 
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Re: Nemesis Company - Taurian Concordat
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2021, 06:08:27 PM »

Good point Kasaga, a Fortress would be nice it just doesn't have any aerospace support which sort of limits that a little. Still not a bad idea.
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Re: Nemesis Company - Taurian Concordat
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2021, 04:57:43 PM »

I did take a look looking from the transport side.

If we go for an Invader JumpShip, I would see an Union, a Seeker and a Condor making the unit, 12 'Mechs, 2 Aerospace Fighters, 16 infantry Platoons, 60 vehicles (a Taurian battalion and a Taurian battery).

Not bad but I find it a bit light on the Aerospace Fighter side. so we could put 2 Merchants and bring a Leopard CV in the game, which would add 6 Aerospace Fighters.
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Nemesis Company - Taurian Concordat
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2021, 04:51:00 PM »

I decided to go a bit ahead and to draw a first draft of a potential force (before upgrading them).

'Mechs

Command Lance
Crusader
Rifleman
Enforcer
Centurion

Fire Lance
Quickdraw
2 Dervish
Valkyrie

Attack Lance
3 Javelins
1 Valkyrie


Aerospace Fighters

2 Corsairs


Vehicles

Combat Company
Lances of 4 Scimitars and 2 Sarencens

Raiding Company
J Edgars

Support Company
Mix of Condors (with dual AC) and Maxims
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Nemesis Company - Taurian Concordat
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2021, 04:10:46 PM »

Sorry I haven't gotten back to you Ice. Broke my finger just after midnight on the 5th. Feeling a lot better now that I am quarantined with covid till the 24th.  ::)

It looks like a pretty Davion force but I am surprised you didn't go a bit heavier. I always think that Light Mechs are easier to produce but easier to destroy while Heavy Mechs take longer to produce but could be salvaged more easily.

Certainly the Javelin and Valkyrie are the two light Mechs I most associate with House Davion. Typically they are fast fire support assets.

For Medium Mechs I would add the Blackjack and Hatchetman to your list as very Davy Mechs. Surprisingly the Taurians can certainly get their hands on the Hatchetman too and I would think the Blackjack wouldn't be a problem for them to obtain either.

Certainly the Centurion and Enforcer would also be included in this force as they scream House Davion at the very top of their lungs.

Lastly on the mediums, the Dervish is a must and might be paired with the Javelin and the Valkyrie in a fire support lance.

For heavies, I would say no to the Quickdraw as I identify it more with Kurita or Marik than Davion. Rifleman and Crusader both made by Kallon Industries are obvious choices for a Davion equipped force along with the JagerMech which is a definite. To these I would include as strong possibilities the Warhammer and Marauder.

For assault BattleMechs, which may be the most difficult for the Taurians to procure I would certainly say the Victor is a yes. A Battlemaster is also very possible with the Cyclops and Atlas being the final but rarest finds for this force to field.

As you can see I wouldn't be opposed to go up to 16 Mechs for this possibly reinforced company which I have broken down like this;

Command Lance
Atlas, Cyclops, Battlemaster, Centurion

Battle Lance
Marauder, Warhammer, JagerMech, Rifleman

Mobile Lance
Victor, Enforcer, Hatchetman, Blackjack

Fire Support Lance
Crusader, Dervish, Valkyrie, Javelin

We could also double the Aerospace Fighter support to two lances featuring a Stuka, 2 Corsairs, and a Sparrowhawk.
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Re: Nemesis Company - Taurian Concordat
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2021, 09:35:05 PM »

I'd drop .5 tons of armor to get the 4th JJ back on the 5TC-U variant.
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