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Design Challenge: Draconis Combine Command Tank
« on: September 03, 2012, 07:43:23 PM »

Hey folks been having a lot of fun reading and drooling over Centurion13's Technical Readout 3063. One of the comments made by Dragon Cat got me to thinking since we have a Kurita Tank Corps to play with now how about a Command Tank. Likely a heavy or assault machine (70-100 tons) mass wise such a vehicle must have two (2) C3 Master Computers to effectively link an entire Draconis Armored Company. Engine wise I'd like to see a Fusion Plant this thing being a line tank however I will entertain XL Engines in this case as such vehicles are not all that common (1 in 12 in this case). You can also give me a variant with a single (1) C3 Master Computer to command a lance. Don't even bother thinking of a Slave or C3-less design - this is a Command Tank. I'll be interested in seeing how guys try to keep it alive on the battlefield as every opponent in his right mind will try and take this thing out the first chance he gets. Translation it better be freakin nasty! The winning design will be featured in my Clarion Call storyline and its evolving universe. Oh and to that point keep technology to the mid 3050s for now. Good luck!!
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Re: Design Challenge: Draconis Combine Command Tank
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2012, 08:58:28 PM »

in defiance of the standard, I am going to create a mobile Command and Control platform meant to operate at stand off range


Kappa

Mass: 30 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: VTOL
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Dark Ages
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E
Production Year: 0
Cost: 7,412,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 428

Power Plant:  100 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 86.4 km/h
Flanking Speed: 129.6 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Medium Laser
    2  Anti-Missile Systems
    2  C3 Computer (Master)s
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      15 points                3.00
Engine:             Fusion Engine                100                       4.50
    Cruise MP:  8
    Flank MP:   12
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         1.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            3.00
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -  80                  5.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     23       
                                          Left/Right   20/20       
                                                Rear     15       
                                               Rotor     2         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
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Medium Laser                                 FR        3         1         1.00
Anti-Missile System                          FR        1         1         0.50
(R) Anti-Missile System                      RR        1         1         0.50
2 C3 Computer (Master)s                      BD        0         2        10.00
@Anti-Missile System (12)                    BD        -         0         1.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      3    Points: 4
8          1       1       0       0      1     0   Structure:  1
Special Abilities: AMS, C3M, TAG, ENE, MHQ10
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Re: Design Challenge: Draconis Combine Command Tank
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2012, 09:03:25 PM »

and an actual tank, with an unprecedented FOUR C3 Computers, and an ECM suite to take advantage of ECCM rules


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Mass: 100 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Dark Ages
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E
Production Year: 3132
Cost: 17,166,667 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,456

Power Plant:  200 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 21.6 km/h
Flanking Speed: 32.4 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  ER PPC
    1  MRM-40
    4  C3 Computer (Master)s
    1  Guardian ECM Suite
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      50 points               10.00
Engine:             Fusion Engine                200                      13.00
    Cruise MP:  2
    Flank MP:   3
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             15                        5.00
Control Equipment:                                                         5.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    2.00
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 360                 22.50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     85       
                                          Left/Right   70/70       
                                              Turret     75       
                                                Rear     60       

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Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
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MRM-40                                       T         12        1        12.00
ER PPC                                       T         15        1         7.00
4 C3 Computer (Master)s                      BD        0         4        20.00
Guardian ECM Suite                           BD        0         1         1.50
@MRM-40 (12)                                 BD        -         0         2.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:     12    Points: 15
2          3       3       1       0      4     0   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: C3M, TAG, ECM, MHQ20
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Re: Design Challenge: Draconis Combine Command Tank
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2012, 11:10:26 PM »

How did I guess JPArbiter would think outside the box! ;D

Both interesting concepts especially the VTOL. Such a command vehicle is vulnerable but its fragility is offset by its speed.

The Oni has the ECM which is a nice feature for such a command vehicle. But 4 C3s? That is a little over kill and to admit my ignorance - didn't think it was possible. Always remember 2 as the max and anymore were useless. Rule change??
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Re: Design Challenge: Draconis Combine Command Tank
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2012, 09:08:13 AM »

Wll, I decided to stay within the box and made an enlarged Tokugawa

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Oyabun Command Tank

Mass: 80 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Wheeled
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 7,156,167 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,174

Power Plant:  220 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 32.4 km/h
Flanking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  PPC
    1  MRM-20
    1  Streak SRM-6
    2  Machine Guns
    1  Anti-Missile System
    2  C3 Computer (Master)s
    1 Unknown CASE
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      40 points                8.00
Engine:             Fusion Engine                220                      15.00
    Cruise MP:  3
    Flank MP:   5
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         4.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    1.50
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 256                 16.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     61       
                                          Left/Right   50/50       
                                              Turret     55       
                                                Rear     40       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
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Machine Gun                                  FR        0         1         0.50
MRM-20                                       FR        6         1         7.00
(R) Machine Gun                              RR        0         1         0.50
PPC                                          T         10        1         7.00
Streak SRM-6                                 T         4         1         4.50
Anti-Missile System                          T         1         1         0.50
2 C3 Computer (Master)s                      BD        0         2        10.00
CASE                                         BD        -         1         0.50
@MG (200)                                    BD        -         0         1.00
@Streak SRM-6 (15)                           BD        -         0         1.00
@Anti-Missile System (24)                    BD        -         0         2.00
@MRM-20 (12)                                 BD        -         0         1.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      9    Points: 12
3          3       3       1       0      4     1   Structure:  4
Special Abilities: AMS, C3M, TAG, CASE, MHQ10

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Re: Design Challenge: Draconis Combine Command Tank
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2012, 10:06:23 AM »

I made a comment and inspired a thread cool 8)

I'll post something later the 4 C3 masters is overkill I think, I like the little one and the enlarged Tokugawa
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Re: Design Challenge: Draconis Combine Command Tank
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2012, 10:21:11 AM »

How did I guess JPArbiter would think outside the box! ;D

Both interesting concepts especially the VTOL. Such a command vehicle is vulnerable but its fragility is offset by its speed.

The Oni has the ECM which is a nice feature for such a command vehicle. But 4 C3s? That is a little over kill and to admit my ignorance - didn't think it was possible. Always remember 2 as the max and anymore were useless. Rule change??

in Total Warfare pp 132 there is a diagram of a unit with four master computers linking to three other lances with  three slaved units and a fourth untapped unit (which I would have be an ECCM interdictor)

it could also coordinate two seperate companies as traditional. those two companies could not integrate each others targeting information, but if you properly label each master and which slaves go the masters who cares?
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Re: Design Challenge: Draconis Combine Command Tank
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2012, 01:49:24 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2012, 04:46:50 PM »

You know how I love fluff Ice!  ;)

Thanks for the explanation JP, afraid your gonna have to bring me up to date on some of the newer stuff.

Nice entry Epoch Rooster, the Oyabun looks good but I wonder if a wheeled vehicle would cover the most ground so to speak. Love to see this thing in a city.

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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2012, 04:57:30 PM »

You know how I love fluff Ice!  ;)

Thanks for the explanation JP, afraid your gonna have to bring me up to date on some of the newer stuff.

Nice entry Epoch Rooster, the Oyabun looks good but I wonder if a wheeled vehicle would cover the most ground so to speak. Love to see this thing in a city.

Yup it is all your fault Dragon Cat!  >:( :D

Keep those entries coming!!!

Really simple Takiro, Pony up for Total Warfare, Tech Manual, and Tac Ops.  much better and more comprehensive set of rules then the BMR and Max Tech
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« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2012, 06:30:00 PM »

Slightly off topic, I got them JP and have read them but if you don't use it u lose it. Really don't play the game anymore. I just write, comment, and observe the great BattleTech multiverse. So your comments are extremely useful in bringing me and keeping me up to date.
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« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2012, 06:43:01 PM »

Slightly off topic, I got them JP and have read them but if you don't use it u lose it. Really don't play the game anymore. I just write, comment, and observe the great BattleTech multiverse. So your comments are extremely useful in bringing me and keeping me up to date.

noted, and apolgies for the assumption.
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You know how I love fluff Ice!  ;)

I have the idea, now I need the fluff  8)
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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2012, 10:07:40 AM »

Alright gang how is this!

Daisho Command Tank

Mass: 90 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: Hermes 270 XL
Cruising Speed: 32.4 kph
Maximum Speed: 54.0 kph
Armor: New Samarkand Royal Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
2 Grizzard Model 200 Gauss Rifles
4 Dodd Small Lasers
Manufacturer: New Samarkand Metals
Primary Factory: New Samarkand
Communications System: Olmstead 300 with Guardian ECM
Targeting and Tracking System: Omicron XII with Beagle Active Probe

OVERVIEW:
As the DCMS improved its conventional armor in the wake of the Clan invasion the need for a command tank became apparent. The innovative C3 Computer was at the core of the concept which called for the new design to coordinate an entire company and be an imposing force by itself on the battlefield. Such demands hamstrung many would be entries and while several out of the box ideas were proposed only this higher priced option ultimately satisfied Lord Kurita. Dubbed the Daisho in honor of the twin samurai swords traditionally worn by Draconis officers this command tank fittingly mounts a pair of C3 Computers and dual Gauss Cannons.

CAPABILITIES:
The Daisho features one of the most impressive electronic packages ever before seen on a conventional vehicle. Two C3 Master Computers allow the Command Tank to coordinate an entire armor company. These massive electronic brains are aided by a Beagle Active Probe and a Guardian ECM Suite whose features complement it nicely on the battlefield.
Two Grizzard Model 200 Gauss Rifles mounted in the tank's turret serve as its primary arsenal. These fearsome weapons culled from the Cereberus BattleMech make the tank a devastating offensive force all by itself. Four Dodd Small Lasers individually placed around the Daisho's hull are intended to deal with infantry at close range. These energy weapons take advantage of the fusion engine's integral heat dissipation.
In order to fit this equipment the design includes an Extra Light Fusion engine despite the expense. While unusual for a Kurita vehicle to mount such a costly power plant an exception was made for this command tank. The Hermes 270 XL engine used on the Wolf Trap and Mauler proved to be a natural fit. As one of the longest and most common made extra lights engineers were able to justify its inclusion.
In order to provide the greatest amount of protection New Samarkand Royal Ferro-Fibrous armor plating was also included. While this raised the final cost of a single Daisho to nearly 21 million C-bills per tank it again utilized existing material. This reutilization practice cut research and development time significantly while saving money on new component cost. Using proven equipment also resulted in a highly reliable final product whose actual production was economically viable.

DEPLOYMENT:
Produced in limited numbers due to cost and need the Daisho has slowly been spreading throughout DCMS front line armor commands since 3055. Because of its impressive capabilities many believe that the Daisho will become target number one one on the battlefield for any adversary. Naturally this has left Kurita tank crewmen clamoring for assignment to a Daisho.

Type: Daisho
Technology Base: Inner Sphere / 3055
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 90
Battle Value: BV1 (1,140)
Cost: 20,928,500 C-bills

Equipment                           Mass
Internal Structure:                        9
Engine:            270 XL            7.5
Shielding and Transmission:                     4
    Cruising MP:         3
    Flank MP:            5
Power Amplifier:                        0
Heat Sinks:            10 – Single            0
Control Equipment:                        4.5
Suspension:                           0
Turret:                              3
Armor Factor:            233 - Ferro-Fibrous         13

Internal Structure       Armor Value
Front:         9         71
R/L Side:      9         40
Rear:         9         30
Turret:         9         52

Weapons, Ammo, and Equipment   Location      Space      Tonnage
Gauss Rifle            Turret         1      15
Gauss Rifle            Turret         1      15
Ammo (Gauss Rifle) 32      Body         1      4
Small Laser            Front         1      0.5
Small Laser            Left          1      0.5
Small Laser            Right         1      0.5
Small Laser            Rear         1      0.5
C3 Master Computer         Body         1      5
C3 Master Computer         Body         1      5
Beagle Active Probe          Body         1      1.5
Guardian ECM Suite         Body         1      1.5
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Re: Design Challenge: Draconis Combine Command Tank
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2012, 12:13:14 PM »

My 'I'll post later comment got lost for two weeks I'll try again tonight to make good on the later comment  :P
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