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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2018, 05:36:07 PM »

Thanks for the votes Shadow_Wraith!

I, Warrior Elissa Jerricho of Delta Galaxy, stand for Brooke Steele as Khan. We need a true Warrior as our leader, one not linked to our past but to our future, one not frightened to fight, one that is not afraid to tell the truth and to pay the price for it.

Awesome Ice, thanks for being our first in character endorsement! I will add this to my growing story. Please keep them coming folks!!

An important election update - five more votes today so far from members. Still no votes in the Mason Jerricho for saKhan campaign but Pazi is closing in with five votes total now althoughGregor and Elam are still leading the pack with eight votes each for the jumior Khan position. For the Khanship - Brooke Steele who warrior Elissa Jerricho just endorsed has only two votes with Vidya Levien doubling her total with four. Double that and you get Sullivan Koga at eight closing in on McKibben with lucky thirteen.

As I just pointed out over on the other boards your votes [and endorsements] count cause we are gonna play out the Refusal or combat to sanction the election when all is said and done. The candidate who wins the vote can select his choice of Mech and the losers get their ride based on percentage of the vote they finished with.  ;)
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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2018, 06:28:48 AM »

We got another in character endorsement over on CBT yesterday and I have been working on some canon characters endorsement of the candidates as well. Please join the debate and vote!

‘As one who ensures training in the ways of the Coyote and our Warden philosophy – I, Star Colonel Creighton Heller as Chief Pack Master, back the candidacy of Tomas McKibben and Gregor Nash. They alone are uniquely suited for the leadership of our Clan.’

‘The Reactionaries’ idea of selling our Clan’s vital warship support is the height foolishness. It is our fleet that helped make our Golden Age possible in the first place. Without it the Coyote would be a second line Clan capable of garrison duty only. Even these ‘Solahma Crusaders” should realize that. I, Star Admiral Demos McTighe proudly back Sullivan Koga and Pazi Tchernovkov for the leadership of the Clan.’

‘Sadly, no Warden has the courage to back the only candidates who will do what is necessary to fulfill Nicholas Kerensky’s dream. I, Star Colonel Lassiter Kozyrev, urge my fellow Coyotes to accept what already is happening. Support the Crusade, vote for Brooke Steele as Khan and Mason Jerricho as saKhan. They will unleash our full potential and return our Clan to its rightful place!’

‘I, Star Colonel Silas Kufahl of Gamma Galaxy say the reorganization eluded to by Sullivan Koga violates our traditions and lacks honor. Her reforms are unnecessary. We should endorse new ideas like those presented by Vidya Levien and Elam Tchernovkov that can restore our Clan without sundering its gloried units.’

‘Dealing with freebirths is one thing but a warrior who operates with the Watch like Elam Tchernovkov is not worthy of such high office and his Scientist Khan running mate is more machine than trueborn warrior. I, Star Colonel Raven Clearwater, cast my vote for Khan Sullivan Koga and saKhan Pazi Tchernovkov.’

‘The need for new blood has never been more apparent. Sullivan Koga and Elam Tchernovkov are the youngest and most vibrant Bloodnamed Warriors we have to choose. I, Star Colonel Star Colonel Pillan Levine, support their candidacy above all others.’
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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2018, 09:57:11 AM »

I voted and commented on the other forum but this time I'll try and speak as a character.
 
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Honorable warriors we sit here to vote for the future of our Clan. We are at a crossroads in these turbulent times, yet look at what we have here as choices to lead us to our destined glory. We have aged warriors well past their primes relegated to our garrison units, we have warriors at the beck and call of our scientist caste promoting newer and shinier toys for us to trounce our enemies with. But look at Tukyyaid and the surrats of the Inner Sphere do they have better technology then us….Nay say I, and yet they are able to stand toe to toe with some of our best warriors. So I ask you what is the difference between a good warrior and a great warrior and I say that is the heart of the warrior. A true warrior will win against all odds if he has the true spirit of a warrior. And with that being said I place my vote for the position of Khan on Tomas McGibbon whose heart is pure and untainted by the politics that has infected our clans in recent years and is a model for our young sibkos to model themselves after. As for saKhan I nominated Gregor Nash while nearing the end of his prime as a warrior his spirit is that of the Great Coyote and whose vision may lead us to our rightful place as the leader of the Clans.
Star Captain Yelis Clearwater


« Last Edit: March 15, 2018, 10:25:44 AM by Bradshaw »
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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2018, 08:57:21 AM »

Very nice Bradshaw I will add your in character comments to the growing list.

It is still all Tomas McKibben for Khan with only Sullivan Koga within any kind of distance to catch up at least IMO.

We are still tied when it comes to sakhan with Gregor Nash and Elam Tchernovkov both carrying eight votes. Pazi Tchernovokov is close though with five so it is anyone's game.

Don't forget about the Reactionaries either - they are both way behind but on the board.

Two more days to vote folks! Remember winner gets the biggest Mech in the Trial to come. ;)
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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2018, 05:33:11 PM »

Got some more canon character endorsements of the candidates to spur the debate. Please join in and vote!

‘I, Galaxy Commander Lafferty Tlavnic, say the only true Coyote choice for Khans lies with the Reactionaries. Protégés of failed Khans past, a Wolf who claims to know our Clan’s spirit, and puppets of the Scientist Caste do not impress me.’

‘Radical change is not what our Clan requires at this moment. We must return to our roots in order to enhance our strength. That is why I, Galaxy Commander Natron Kozyrev, pledge to support the Spiritualist candidates for high office.’

‘In the wake of the Revival Trials I, Star Colonel Sancia Kufahl, worked closely with Sullivan Koga and Pazi Tchernovkov. Witnessing their combat prowess and sheer determination has made a life-long supporter out of me.’

‘The Technologists offer the Coyotes the most equitable way forward. Both Vidya Levien and Elam Tchernovkov possess clear analytical minds were science not politics dominates reasoning. I, Star Captain Armin Tamzarian, opt for them over any other candidate today.’
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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2018, 09:09:06 PM »

During my final eight in character endorsements I discovered an error with Tomas McKibben. According to canon Anna Skyes is the commander of Beta Galaxy at this time so I simply moved him to Epsilon which I do not have an existing officer for. My bad!

Here are four more in character endorsements and I hope to complete the final four before tomorrows end of voting.

‘Hear me trothkin! In all my time the choice has never been clearer. We need to embrace the Spiritualist wisdom if we are to thrive as a Clan. As Beta Galaxy Commander, I, Anna Skyes urge you all to support Tomas McKibben and Gregor Nash for the leadership of the Coyotes.’

‘You all know that I, Brenda Kufahl, have recently assumed command of Zeta Galaxy. I have spent most of my career in this contingent and no warrior cares more about their unit then myself. While it is upsetting to think about striking commands from our proud Touman such reforms maybe necessary. Sullivan Koga and Pazi Tchernovkov understand this is unpopular but are ready to do this for the good of the Clan. That is why I support them for the Khanships of the Clan.’

‘I, Qitarah Kufahl, was once a ristar whose reversals against the Snow Raven Clan cost me my front-line command. Vidya Levien and Elam Tchernovkov have also suffered but refused to give up earning my admiration. I hope to emulate their turn arounds one day myself and would very much like to see my Clan do the same.’

‘While many of you scorn my name I, Jaquice Koga have also endured much like Brooke Steele and Mason Jerricho. Despite being shoved into second line service we will not go quietly into the night as Sullivan Koga would like. It is the Reactionaries we should all endorse. They will put an end to the petty politics and backroom sponsorships which have injured our Clan sidelining its best warriors.’
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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2018, 10:28:50 PM »

Well this is the last of the canon character endorsements of which I have written eighteen total. These will be weighed in with the vote to help determine the winner. Still a few more hours to vote and endorse. Get them in before morning and the close of the poll!

‘I, Galaxy Commander Leo Koga have had the pleasure of serving alongside of Sullivan Koga and am pleased to count her among my closest friends. She and Pazi Tchernovkov are first rate warriors and leaders who I would gladly serve as my Khans. I pledge Xi Galaxy to their command.’

‘While the Successors have been derided by many of you for their sponsorship by our former Khan I would like to point out that most you lack their courage. It is easy to criticize from the shadows and difficult face the light of command. Many difficult decisions lay ahead and I, Star Colonel Alexis Tchernovkov know that Sullivan Koga and Pazi Tchernovkov will do their best for our Clan even if it means walking the most difficult path.’

‘The Technologists concern me with their radical stances that could lead us all to our downfall. I, Star Colonel Noemi McKibben prefer the Spiritualist approach which will return the Coyotes to the right path. Vote as I do for Tomas McKibben and Gregor Nash.’

‘I, Star Captain Hector McKibben vote for my kin Tomas McKibben and his second Gregor Nash as the new leaders of our Clan. Their spiritual beliefs will do much to restore the Coyotes to greatness.’
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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2018, 08:01:31 AM »

I, Nova Captain Jettero Heller, cast my vote Tomas McKibben for the Khanship of our Clan and for Pazi Tchernovkov as our SaKhan. I have served with both men in my time as a Warrior of our Clan. I have great respect for each of them even though we do not share the same views.





Note: I posted my votes ages ago, but I chose now to make an IC post.
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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2018, 08:08:12 AM »

Very good Abele, only about an hour to go for voting.
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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2018, 02:21:05 PM »

I know Ice had mentioned putting another in-character support to this thread which I will very appreciatively add to the story but it will come too late to factor into these results.

Results

Well folks we have come to the end of our second Khan election for my unfolding alternate universe and before I get to the results I’d like to thank everyone who took part. These forum events combined with a little in-home gaming are a lot of fun for me and my friends (Matt, Jeremy, Gus, and Steve). Really looking forward to playing out this scenario next weekend and finishing the project with a grand write up everyone can enjoy. Still we couldn’t have done it without everyone participating on the forums with their review of the info, voting for their favorite candidates, and most awesomely in character endorsements. I really love it when folks join in the debate and try to convince others to vote for their candidate. Your participation was the best birthday gift I could have received this week so I would like to thank you all once again. 

Now to the vote and its totals which could be controversial so I want to explain them to you. First off on CBT there was an over vote for Khan as somebody used their two votes to support a single candidate for kaKhan rather than splitting their votes between both offices. Second issue, there were seven total under votes for saKhan (2 on OBT and 5 on CBT) meaning several folks did not make a selection for this junior leadership position when they could have. These votes were combined with Steve’s (who is not a member of either forum) and his vote was registered in the home category. These votes coming from CBT, OBT, and Home were added together producing the following totals.

Candidate      CBT Votes   OBT Votes   Home Votes      Vote Total
   Khan (36)
Sullivan Koga      6      4      1         11 (31%)
Brooke Steele       2      1      0         3 (8%)
Tomas McKibben   12      6      0          18 (50%)
Vidya Levien       3      1      0         4 (11%)
saKhan (28)
Pazi Tchernovkov   3      4      0          7 (25%)
Mason Jerricho   1      0      0          1 (3.5%)
Gregor Nash      5      3      0         8 (28.5%)
Elam Tchernovkov   8      3      1         12 (43%)

Throughout the debate here I was considering adding into the vote total the In-Character Support and Canon Endorsements for two reasons. One, to reward those who went the extra mile who got into character and wrote a blurb which will be used in the overall story. Two, to balance our voting results with Canon Character Endorsements which could check alternate results. The voting results were a little extreme (winners running away from the pack and losers getting so little support that any challenge would be prohibitive) in my estimation so I added both producing the following Totals.

Candidate      Vote Totals   In-Character Support   Canon Endorse   Overall Total
   Khan (60)
Sullivan Koga      11      0         7         18 (30%)
Brooke Steele      3      1         3         7 (11.7%)
Tomas McKibben   18      3         5         26 (43.3%)
Vidya Levien      4      2         3         9 (15%)
saKhan (52)
Pazi Tchernovkov   7      1         6         14 (26.9%)
Mason Jerricho   1      0         3         4 (7.7%)
Gregor Nash      8      1         5         14 (26.9%)
Elam Tchernovkov   12      4         4         20 (38.5%)

The biggest winners from this combination were the lowest finishers and this math did not affect the order. This made the final results closer and next week’s combat a little more competitive which is desirable.

Comparisons

This outcome is far different from our first simulation which had the Successors (Sullivan Koga and Pazi Tchernovkov) come out on top. They had their choice of OmniMechs which were a Dire Wolf and Gargoyle respectively that in large part enabled them to come out on top the first time around. This was directly in line with the canon outcome. In this alternate revote the Successors fell to second place and could still at least in my opinion win next Sundays combat trials to come out on top.

The greatest disparity between the first simulation and this alternate revote was the low totals received by the Reactionaries. Initially Brooke Steele and Mason Jerricho received a Highlander IIC and Guillotine IIC for use in the combat trials that were the second biggest. However, facing off against their larger Successor opponents made them both one of the first casualties in that combat simulation. I do have to say that their last place finishes this time around does make sense upon reflection as both candidates were second-line commanders and had views that were in large part out of order with Coyote thinking. My error I guess overrating their support base first time around but it does lead to an interesting question for me – if they elect to take second line Mechs into the combat trial again should they be larger due to their inferior nature then their vote totals indicate?

The biggest overall improvement with this vote goes to the Spiritualists whose message seemed to resonant with voters the most. While a few folks voiced support for Loremaster Gregor Nash to be the candidate for Khan and Tomas the candidate for saKhan the results would indicate differently. It was Tomas McKibben that smashed the opposition for the Khanship of the Clan which to me was somewhat surprising. I expected Koga to emerge victorious and if indeed Nash were the candidate things may have been different or closer. Regardless it was an impressive win for Tomas McKibben who goes onto defend his right by election to become the next Coyote Khan. First time around McKibben in a Timber Wolf lost to Koga in a Dire Wolf while Nash in a Mad Dog was beaten by Pazi in a Gargoyle. The shoe seems to be on the other foot next week.

Differences from the first simulation to this alternate revote event were stark for the Technologists this time around. Elam had been the biggest underdog of the first trial in his Great Coyotl indicating a last place vote total. I now wonder if he had a better chance at the top of the ticket vote wise but Koga was just to good combat wise to be defeated last time around so the decision was made to alter his spot to second billing. This paid off vote wise with a win for the Technologists and gives them a great chance to hold one of the leadership spots for the Clan going forward. Vidya Levien (aka Darth Coyote) was a big change to being elevated to the top of the ticket instead of having a Stormcrow which got lit up in the saKhan match first time around by Gregor Nash in his Mad Dog. Her third-place finish for Khan is certainly interesting. Expect to see Level Three Tech (XXL Engine, Supercharger, Streak LRMs and ER Pulses) to be used by their candidates this time around.

Combat Trials

Tomas McKibben as the first-place finisher for Khan will get the Dire Wolf (100 tons) this time around but the configuration will be up to the player character likely Bradshaw. According to my math this means that Sullivan Koga the second-place finisher is entitled to a 70-ton Mech for the combat trial. The third-place finisher, Vidya Levien, would be allowed a 35-ton Mech for the trial and lastly Brooke Steele would be allowed a 25-ton Mech for combat. Please check my math folks. What are your thoughts on Steele taking a heavier second line Mech into combat and presumably the Level 3 Adder configuration Levien will be using?

Elam Tchernovkov as the first-place finisher for saKhan will get the Gargoyle (80 tons) this time around and I have a little story to go with this. It will undoubtedly feature some of the Great Coyotl which uses a 400XXL Engine and a Supercharger but what else I will have to see. I could in theory allow Elam a Dire Wolf (100 tons) as well but think I will stick to the 80-ton ceiling for saKhan. Perhaps I will include both results and think about it. Since both Pazi and Nash finished with a tie they could take a 55-ton Mech into combat versus the Gargoyle or a 70-ton Mech against the Dire Wolf depending on what is chosen for Elam. Lastly and quite laughably Mason Jerricho would be eligible for an Elemental Suit (5 tons) against the Gargoyle or more reasonably a 20-ton Mech against the Dire Wolf. Again, this could increase depending on what you think of him using a second-line machine in this trial.

What do you think next Sunday’s combat should look like?
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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2018, 03:34:01 PM »

Since I am too late, I won't write it down.

As for your maths, they are correct.
However I don't know how you round the numbers (up or down) as it might change the 'Mechs for Brooke Steele.

You could also give the "losers" heavier 'Mechs but desactivating some weapons.
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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2018, 05:44:29 PM »

Sorry Ice but thank you for you contribution!

Brooke Steele worked out to be 27 tons exactly so I rounded down. I suppose a case could be made for a 30 ton front line Mech or heavier second line Mech. I suppose we could factor BV into this. Say a second line Mech which matches the Mist Lynx or Kit Fox BV for example I would consider.

I usually don't like to go heavier minus weaponry tonnage but I suppose it is an option.
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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2018, 04:03:01 PM »

Hmm, math was never my specialty so i asked Bradshaw to check my equations again. He came back with some very different answers but i gotta say it looks better to me.

To clarify the first Tons column for Khan has McKibben the winner of the vote selecting the Dire Wolf (the biggest possible Mech) while the second column has him select a Timber Wolf (his preferred ride). The others should now be arrayed to challenge in Mechs comparable to their percentage of the vote earned.

Likewise there are two choices for Elam as well both capable of utilizing his high tech equipment an 80 ton Gargoyle or a 100 ton Dire Wolf.

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Khan Vote Total % Tons Tons
Sullivan Koga 18 30% 85 65
Brooke Steele 7 12% 70 50
Tomas McKibben 26 43% 100 75
Vidya Levien 9 15% 75 55
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Pazi Tchernovkov 14 27% 70 90
Mason Jerricho 4 8% 55 70
Gregor Nash 14 27% 70 90
Elam Tchernovkov 20 38% 80 100
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So does that look right to everyone?
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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2018, 04:53:24 PM »

This time, I don't get them.
How can you have 30% of the votes and a 'Mech at 85 tons while someone with 15% of them has a 'Mech weighing 75 tons?
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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2018, 10:34:11 PM »

Though I loathe to show my work especially when it comes to math my original calculations I believe were flawed because there was such a dramatic difference between the opponents. Here is the way I originally came up with my numbers.

Code: [Select]
Winner’s Percentage Winner’s Mass
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Challenger’s Percentage Challenger’s Mass (?)

This simple inequality allowed me to determine the unknown (challenger's mass) by cross multiplying the equation then dividing the results.

Code: [Select]
43 (McKibben percentage) 100 (Dire Wolf tonnage)
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30 or 15 or 12 (challenger %) X (unknown tonnage)

This gave me these results -
Sullivan Koga = 70 tons
Vidya Levien = 35 tons
Brooke Steele = 30 tons

Bradshaw did the math a bit differently which makes it more competitive.

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I don't know how you did the math for the tonnages, I did it definitely differently.

My calculation was winner chose their Mech e.g. Elam picked Gargoyle(80) so opponents mechs was then differential in percentage of vote  (Nash was 14% less) x tonnage of chosen mech (80 - 11.2 tons rounded to closest mech weight)

Now after a comprehensive review today I don't think this adds up causing me to fallback to option number 1.

However there is still the very real question of using second line equipment in the trial - would that boost your tonnage? Such as for Steele in the above example which comes out to a 30 ton frontline Mech (Uller) but if she elects to use a second line Mech could it be larger?? If so how much??
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