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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #60 on: October 25, 2018, 09:21:10 AM »

Now I think Binaries were the original formation used by Kerensky not Trinaries. It could be a way to maintain their # of Clusters by officially returning to this arrangement.

First things I see Khan and saKhan doing

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1. Update their Trials of Position
  a. Allow Trueborns a second trial for Second-line forces
  b. Allow Trials for Freebirths
  c. Assign Warriors from Solahma units to train Freebirths for an opportunity to undergo Trials for Warrior Status

2. Call for Warriors to Trial for Missionary positions for selected Clans

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1. With assistance from the Loremaster have the Clan Watch begin to ferret out potential targets for acquisition to bolster the Clans Scientist Caste (Primarily the Ardent Crusader factions)

2. Known Targets have Cluster Commanders begin to Batchall for Trials of Possession

3. Target known caches of Mark I OmniMechs for Trials of Possession



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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #61 on: October 25, 2018, 02:49:35 PM »

Ice I'm surprised you didn't notice in my list of suggestions the French flair I put on the Ice Hellions suggestion.

I missed it :(
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #62 on: October 25, 2018, 02:55:28 PM »

Thoughts??

How many holdings do they have to defend?
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #63 on: October 25, 2018, 05:08:03 PM »

2. Call for Warriors to Trial for Missionary positions for selected Clans

That just sounds wrong Bradshaw! Keep it clean.  ;D

Although earning such a title [Coyote ilChi] though combat an interesting take. I would expect Khan McKibben to just appoint someone.

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1. With assistance from the Loremaster have the Clan Watch begin to ferret out potential targets for acquisition to bolster the Clans Scientist Caste (Primarily the Ardent Crusader factions)

2. Known Targets have Cluster Commanders begin to Batchall for Trials of Possession

3. Target known caches of Mark I OmniMechs for Trials of Possession

Please remember that Elam is the saKhan who generally serves as the Clan's chief warlord. He can't make strategic decisions without at least consulting and more than likely getting the approval for such actions. What I generally did is see how by looking at their agendas the Technologists could either agree wholeheartedly or tack on their agenda where possible like the Warden Emissaries. The saKhan I figured talked to the Khan and said 'yeah your idea is real good yo but this will make it mad good' (sorry just watched Ant-Man). This is how Warden Emissaries were accompanied by Scientific Liaisons who can maybe negotiate for some of what you suggest without combat. Before I continue let me reask my questions from last night;

1. Do you see the four new Coyote leaders working together for the benefit of the Clan?
2. How do the Warden Missions to other Clans go?
3. Everyone cool with the former saKhan taking over the Scientist Caste?
4. How did former Khan Robin Steele keep Coyote's 2/3 touman a secret or conceal this weakness?
5. Does the formation of the 316th Assault Cluster (Spirit Walkers), Trials of Absorption/Reaving for understrength Clusters, the Keshik mergers into three frontline Galaxies, Zeta Galaxy downgrade back to Sigma, the disbandment of only two second line galaxies make for a better Reformation with less resistance and more combat?
6. Is 39 Clusters (instead of 35 from canon) realistic with freeborn mobilization in second line units, second trials for trueborns, the activation of old OmniMechs and vehicles all now flowing into the Coyote touman especially with all this internal combat?

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https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=3520.msg46429#msg46429

Still I like where you are going with Coyote's Scienctific Raids which will bring me to the Hellfury Chalcas Incident and how it will play out during the Quicksilver Trials. With all this domestic reorganization taking place over the last six months of 3052 I don't believe the Coyotes can realistically take to the offense.

How many holdings do they have to defend?

Coyote Possessions 3052
Homeworlds: 6 – Tamaron [capital] (100%), Babylon (27%), Delios (36%), Foster (40%), Londerholm (24%), New Kent (19%)
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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #64 on: October 26, 2018, 11:30:37 PM »

Any thoughts my friends on the fate of Yotes in 3052??
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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #65 on: October 27, 2018, 09:11:35 AM »

1. Do you see the four new Coyote leaders working together for the benefit of the Clan?
2. How do the Warden Missions to other Clans go?
3. Everyone cool with the former saKhan taking over the Scientist Caste?
4. How did former Khan Robin Steele keep Coyote's 2/3 touman a secret or conceal this weakness?
5. Does the formation of the 316th Assault Cluster (Spirit Walkers), Trials of Absorption/Reaving for understrength Clusters, the Keshik mergers into three frontline Galaxies, Zeta Galaxy downgrade back to Sigma, the disbandment of only two second line galaxies make for a better Reformation with less resistance and more combat?
6. Is 39 Clusters (instead of 35 from canon) realistic with freeborn mobilization in second line units, second trials for trueborns, the activation of old OmniMechs and vehicles all now flowing into the Coyote touman especially with all this internal combat?

1. I can see it if the Khan and saKhan are keeping everyone in line. Some might try to take a little more power as their positions are not bound in tradition. A few Trials should keep everyone in check.
2. It depends on the different Clans. In your Universe, there is a little more cooperation among them but the reasons behind the Warden Missions might be a bit suspicious.
3. Why not? But what about the former one? This is not really the Clan Way.
4. I think the Blood Spirit did something like that in the past. Since the Clans are not good at gathering intelligence, you could imagine rotating units from one holding to another, changing their name or their Galaxy...
5 and 6. rather than increase the number of Clusters, I would try to increase their size and to homogenise them. Perhaps go to 32 Clusters for "normal" units (ie Front Line or Garrison ones) with 4 Clusters per Galaxy. You can have 5 Front Line and 3 Second Line Galaxies. This would allow you to create a training Galaxy with first 3 under-strength Clusters.
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #66 on: October 27, 2018, 11:58:21 AM »

2. It depends on the different Clans. In your Universe, there is a little more cooperation among them but the reasons behind the Warden Missions might be a bit suspicious.

The Warden Missions are quite simply designed to promote and strengthen that political philosophy which after Tukayyid is still at a low point so to speak. Khan McKibben becomes more and more interesting to me as a lone advocate trying to halt the Crusade once and for all - I think that the Spiritualist goal. Hardcore Wardens who stand opposed to any further invasion of the InnerSphere and a resumption of the Clans true mission to defend the old Star League from 'threats'. Old Warden talking points left this 'force' vague but could his new true Warden faction start naming enemies. Crusaders, Word of Blake, or any faction that they know admittedly have more knowledge of that needs stomping.

3. Why not? But what about the former one? This is not really the Clan Way.

The Coyotes are a far more traditional Clan than most with warriors meeting a violent end and therefore not retiring to a lesser caste. Some more liberal Clans like Diamond Shark you have the Angus Labov example who leaves his old station to take up a new. Former saKhan Tain McTighe would be an almost unprecedented action in the Coyote Clan but the warriors and scientists do share a special bond here that goes beyond normal traditions. Would his action to take up the helm of the Scientist Caste be challenged? Almost certainly so but by whom? Certainly not the Technologist who are behind the gambit in the first place but what of the Spiritualist, Successors, or Reactionaries??

4. I think the Blood Spirit did something like that in the past. Since the Clans are not good at gathering intelligence, you could imagine rotating units from one holding to another, changing their name or their Galaxy...

You make a good point in reverse Ice. Blood Spirit's secret buildup was well hidden until the Burrock Absorption in canon. I doubt any Clans knew the extent of their bolstered Touman. Perhaps this was why the Burrock Touman was only at seven Galaxies and weakening at this time too. Certainly their raiding of Spirit territory didn't completely stop but the returns would be getting far and far worse as the Spirit ground forces grew. I imagine some raiding parties were going to York and not returning after 3010 when the Spirit Touman reached 10 Galaxies in strength. The Burrocks probably would not admit to the Spirits thumping them in these attacks and make further outrageous claims as to how they achieved this capability.

5 and 6. rather than increase the number of Clusters, I would try to increase their size and to homogenise them. Perhaps go to 32 Clusters for "normal" units (ie Front Line or Garrison ones) with 4 Clusters per Galaxy. You can have 5 Front Line and 3 Second Line Galaxies. This would allow you to create a training Galaxy with first 3 under-strength Clusters.

I geuss I skipped that Ice good spot. Yes the average strength of the new Coyote Galaxy after the Reformation would be 4 Clusters with a single Reserve (Front Line Galaxies) or Solahma (Second Line Galaxies) Cluster serving in each. So you have a core three Clusters with an Auxiliary fourth. Reserve Clusters I had in mind for older OmniMechs and veteran trueborn warriors, also any truly renowned freeborns could make these formations as well with high end (XL Engine) BattleMechs.
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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #67 on: October 27, 2018, 01:51:18 PM »

The Warden Missions are quite simply designed to promote and strengthen that political philosophy which after Tukayyid is still at a low point so to speak. Khan McKibben becomes more and more interesting to me as a lone advocate trying to halt the Crusade once and for all - I think that the Spiritualist goal. Hardcore Wardens who stand opposed to any further invasion of the InnerSphere and a resumption of the Clans true mission to defend the old Star League from 'threats'. Old Warden talking points left this 'force' vague but could his new true Warden faction start naming enemies. Crusaders, Word of Blake, or any faction that they know admittedly have more knowledge of that needs stomping.

I think these missions might trigger Trials against Clan Coyote.
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #68 on: October 27, 2018, 02:09:00 PM »

For championing their Warden politics to other Clans thus interfering in their internal affairs? Why the Crusaders have done it for years and has not the Coyotes (and the Wolves) served as an anvil for the Crusade sharpening the edge of those who would invade?

I agree with you Ice don't get me wrong. Eventually Trials will occur but the Coyotes are starting with fertile ground with these missions. Wolf, Snow Raven, and Goliath Scorpion are already Warden Clans at this time even though all three have Crusader elements. In my story Wolf has begun to reform its sibko training and weed out Crusaders in its ranks. However Crusaders could bring action to the Grand Council for political interference almost mirroring Star Adder's aid to Crusaders in the Coyote Clan which resulted in the Blood Scandal.

Snow Raven is known for their Bloodhouse politics and they currently have an alliance with Jade Falcon so opponents of Khan Lynn McKenna could whine. I think there is less of a chance with Goliath Scorpion but possible still. Helping Wardens in Kindraa Payne in the Crusader Fire Mandrill Clan could be far more precarious and then we come to Cloud Cobra. A Warden Clan but blood enemies of the Coyotes thanks to their age old treachery. Reapproachment here could pose difficulties to say the least.

Adopting the Technologist research alliance goals with the likes of Wolf, Diamond Shark, and other Warden Clans might be less contraversial.
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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #69 on: October 27, 2018, 03:11:07 PM »

For championing their Warden politics to other Clans thus interfering in their internal affairs? Why the Crusaders have done it for years and has not the Coyotes (and the Wolves) served as an anvil for the Crusade sharpening the edge of those who would invade?

In Warden Clans or pro-Warden Clans, it might not be a problem but in other Clans or if the Great Council or some Khans decide that it is mixing with their own affairs.
The moves from one political movement to another for internal reasons to a Clan is something that they can accept but the same movement coming from outside...
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #70 on: October 27, 2018, 03:43:06 PM »

Well in the senior Khan's duties and responsibilities it states they are responsible for overseeing relationships their Clan and other Clans. While it is possible that even that duty could be delegated to another like the saKhan - I would think any diplomatic interaction such as establsihing these Warden Missions would need the Khan's consent.
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