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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #45 on: October 21, 2018, 11:35:09 PM »

I asked Calderon to look into one of his old AD&D books which had a listing of titles that include Khans which I fuzzily remember. There are already a few the Clans have including ilKhan, kaKhan, sakhan, and ecKhan but there could be more. I know I was calling Smoke Jaguar honorary Khans orKhans for a bit but not sure that is historical or not.
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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #46 on: October 22, 2018, 11:13:38 AM »

Gur Khan, meaning supreme or universal Khan, was the ruler of the Khitan Kara-Kitai, and has occasionally been used by the Mongols as well

Khagan or Qaghan is a title of imperial rank equal to the status of emperor and someone who rules a khaganate

Ilkhan, both a generic term for a 'provincial Khan' and traditional royal style for one of the four khanates in Genghis's succession, based in Persia. See the main article for more details.

Khan-i-Khanan (Persian: "Lord of Lords") was a title given to the commander-in-chief of the army of the Mughals, an example being Abdul Rahim Khan-I-Khana of the great Mughal emperor, Akbar's (and later his son Jahangir's) army.

Khatun, or Khatan roughly equal to a King's queen in Mongolic and Turkic languages, as by this title a ruling Khan's Queen-consort (wife) is designated with similar respect after their proclamation as Khan and Khatun.

Khanum is another female derivation of Khan

Khanzada a title conferred to princes of the dynasties of certain princely states.

Kanasubigi or Kana subigi, lord of the army

Were the ones I found on Wiki




How about something odd but fitting for them. Dharma no real translation to English but meanings include such things as "law", "order", "duty", "custom".

Dharma signifies behaviours that are considered to be in accord with the order that makes life and universe possible, and includes duties, rights, laws, conduct, virtues and "right way of living".

Could be a position that works in accord with the Lore Master
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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #47 on: October 22, 2018, 04:01:58 PM »

I asked Calderon to look into one of his old AD&D books which had a listing of titles that include Khans which I fuzzily remember. There are already a few the Clans have including ilKhan, kaKhan, sakhan, and ecKhan but there could be more. I know I was calling Smoke Jaguar honorary Khans orKhans for a bit but not sure that is historical or not.


Funny thing was only thing I found with reference to kaKhan was Scientology lol

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When people do start reporting a staff member with a high statistic, what you investigate is the person who turned in the report. In an ancient army a particularly brave deed was recognized by an award of the title of Kha-Khan. It was not a rank. The person remained what he was, BUT he was entitled to be forgiven the death penalty ten times in case in the future he did anything wrong. That was a Kha-Khan. That's what producing, high-statistic staff members are – Kha-Khans. They can get away with murder without a blink from Ethics.... And Ethics must recognize a Kha-Khan when it sees one – and tear up the bad report chits on the person with a yawn."

http://scientolipedia.org/info/KHA-_KHAN
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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #48 on: October 22, 2018, 04:20:55 PM »

Still leaning towards Guardmaster or Wardmaster for this Chief Defender of the Coyotes. I also prefer following the Master template (Loremaster and Oathmaster already established) as opposed to the Khan one.

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Honorific Khans (Grave Covenant, page 260)
   Warriors who prove themselves exceptional leaders in battle situations are often called “Khan” for the proposes of an operation.

ilKhan - war-leader of the CLans elected from the Grand Council by its members, arbitrates disputes between Clans in times of crisis, governs under the Martial Code as set down by Nicholas Kerensky, can be overruled by the Grand Council
kaKhan - the senior Khan who should be the best warrior but is some times the best politician, typically acts the head of a Clan, overseeing relationships between the castes and other Clans, decides on the exact distribution of tasks, holds a seat on the Grand Council (Kurultai)
sakhan - the junior Khan of a Clan typical serves as the Warlord but exact duties depends upon the senior Khan also has a seat on the Grand Council
ecKhan - the leader of a Cloud Cobra Clan Cloister
ovKhan - a term of respect for someone of higher rank
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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #49 on: October 23, 2018, 08:28:51 AM »

Still leaning towards Guardmaster or Wardmaster for this Chief Defender of the Coyotes. I also prefer following the Master template (Loremaster and Oathmaster already established) as opposed to the Khan one.


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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2018, 09:18:57 AM »

Just throwing some out there now.

Clan Blood Spirit --Marshall
Clan Burrock --Foreman
Clan Cloud Cobra --Seraph
Clan Coyote --Armsmaster or Shieldbearer
Clan Diamond Shark --Templar
Clan Fire Mandrill --Bandmaster
Clan Ghost Bear --Denmaster
Clan Goliath Scorpion --Pilgrim
Clan Hell's Horses --Hordemaster
Clan Ice Hellion --Dirigeant
Clan Jade Falcon --Overseer
Clan Nova Cat --Oracle
Clan Smoke Jaguar --Drillmaster
Clan Snow Raven --Fleetmaster
Clan Star Adder --Adjutant
Clan Steel Viper --Taskmaster
Clan Wolf --Packmaster
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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #51 on: October 23, 2018, 04:39:14 PM »

“I am the Keymaster ... Are you the Gatekeeper?”

 8)

Just throwing some out there now.

Or should we find a common name?
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The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #52 on: October 23, 2018, 10:08:08 PM »

“I am the Keymaster ... Are you the Gatekeeper?”

Oh we have to get these two together.  ;D


Well we are going a little far a field here as I was hoping to talk about Coyote going forward. But I present you with the Circle of Masters.

The Circle of Masters is a cabinet of sorts or General Staff for the Clans which was begun by ilKhan Ulric Kerensky in 3053 after the approval of Operation Restoration. Much like the Loremaster of the Clans the individual who serves on the Circle is generally the most senior in that position although the ilKhan may choose any Clan Master if the Grand Council approves.

Loremaster (1st established, highest ranking)
Oathmaster (2nd established, Nova Cat)
Guardmaster (3rd established, Coyote)
Fleetmaster (4th established, Snow Raven)
Zellmaster (5th established, Star Adder)
Armsmaster (6th established, Diamond Shark)
Watchmaster (7th established, Burrock)


Zellmaster – Formalized title created by Khan Cassius N’Buta and first granted to Duke Topi following the Trial of Restoration. While coined by the Star Adders this position had already existed throughout the Clans for centuries. Previously called Champions (Coyote, Jade Falcon, Steel Viper) or Gunslingers (Wolf) depending on the Clan these warriors were acknowledged as the finest by their respective commanders. Unit commanders above the rank of Star Colonel may typically name an individual who has usually attained a number of victories while lacking any personal reversals. Adherence to zellbrigen is also another important requirement for these masters of the rite of combat. While Cluster and Galaxy Zellmasters are respected none dare challenge the Khan’s choice who is widely regarded as the best warrior of the Clan.
Quality assurance for the sibkos, Chief Instructor, head of Military Education

Armsmaster – Following the trend begun by others Khan Jonathon Clarke of the Diamond Sharks established the position of Armsmaster for his Clan to oversee logistics. This Chief Quartermaster post works closely with the lower castes who supply the warriors.
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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #53 on: October 24, 2018, 09:08:30 AM »

Whats funny is I looked into the word origins of Zellbrigen. In German its almost spelled if split into Wrestling ring or Wrestling Cell to be precise. So ZellMaster would be Master of Cells or more likely a Geneticist or Prison Warden

I'm not a fan of all the Master names. GuardMaster sounds silly if anything it should be Master-at-arms. Same with FleetMaster shouldn't it be Master of the Fleet.

I think you should branch out. Shieldbearer is a nice fit for your Guardmaster position.

I really liked Templar for Diamond Sharks as they were Warrior Merchants who pretty much invented banking.

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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #54 on: October 24, 2018, 03:17:17 PM »

I really liked Templar for Diamond Sharks as they were Warrior Merchants who pretty much invented banking.

Warrior Merchants? I didn't read the same history books as you.

Whats funny is I looked into the word origins of Zellbrigen. In German its almost spelled if split into Wrestling ring or Wrestling Cell to be precise. So ZellMaster would be Master of Cells or more likely a Geneticist or Prison Warden

bringen is in German to bring something and not to fight or wrestling. But I agree with your analysis.

Loremaster (1st established, highest ranking)
Oathmaster (2nd established, Nova Cat)
Guardmaster (3rd established, Coyote)
Fleetmaster (4th established, Snow Raven)
Zellmaster (5th established, Star Adder)
Armsmaster (6th established, Diamond Shark)
Watchmaster (7th established, Burrock)

I am not sure if a Wolf would not try to bring more civilian castes in his council.
And trying to coordinate all the education/training of the Warriors in the different Clans? This sounds quite difficult as they all have different specifications, tactics...
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The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #55 on: October 24, 2018, 03:47:34 PM »

The Knights Templar were the bankers of the Medieval period hence Bradshaw's alliteration
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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #56 on: October 24, 2018, 03:49:17 PM »


Warrior Merchants? I didn't read the same history books as you.

Warrior Monk Bankers? Close enough for me to call them Merchants.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-38499883

bringen is in German to bring something and not to fight or wrestling. But I agree with your analysis.

Why I said almost
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringen
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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #57 on: October 24, 2018, 03:52:47 PM »

Ice I'm surprised you didn't notice in my list of suggestions the French flair I put on the Ice Hellions suggestion.
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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #58 on: October 24, 2018, 04:36:17 PM »

I appreciate the feedback guys. Also, I will share with you some canon references to the Coyotes.

Pack Master - Page 39 FM Warden Clans
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Clan Coyote's own warriors chose Gerek [Tchernovkov] to serve as their Pack Master. a position that soon evolved into the Loremaster post.

Pack Masters – page 46 FM Warden Clans
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Pack Masters – warriors assigned to oversee cadets m the training camps – customarily take their new charges into the wilds of Tamaron for a month at a time.

Chief Pack Master – page 49 FM Warden Clans
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With the instigation of her reforms, Khan Koga opened positions in the Thirty-eighth Assault to the best warriors emerging from the sibkos. Star Colonel Heller. once the Chief Pack Master, ensures their training in the ways of the Coyote and the Warden philosophy continue.


As I said I am opened to changing Guardmaster to most likely Wardmaster.

I really like Fleetmaster actually, one of my favorites.

Zell is actually short for zellbrigen here Bradshaw and it is frequently abbreviated that way. I actually like that title a lot too although I am opened as to each office's responsibilities which probably vary from Clan to Clan. Coordinate may be a poor way to describe this 'Masters' responsibilities as it is more of a quality control agent. There have been incidents where Clans have accused other Clans of misdoings or not living up to standards. This is where the Zellmaster may have to intervene.

As to a civilian having representation on this 'Council' you are in luck Ice as I've already been calling the head of the Free Guilds the Guildmaster.

Actually the head of the Knights Templar was a Grandmaster so.....

The only title I really don't love is Watchmaster (7th established, Burrock) but I won't go with Spymaster.
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Re: Elect new Coyote Khans! [POLL LINK]
« Reply #59 on: October 24, 2018, 06:01:46 PM »

Moving on from the still forming Circle of Masters I really want to talk the next six months for Clan Coyote which will make up their section of the new catchup tome bring us to the Trial of Restoration in January 3053.

With our newly united leadership of the Coyotes under Khan Tomas McKibben (Spiritualist), saKhan Elam Tchernovkov (Technolgist), Loremaster Sullivan Koga (Successor), and Wardmaster Mason Jerricho (Reactionary) these months are filled with activity. My early read on these characters is that all four are willing to do what is best for the Clan, of course I'd like to see what you all have to say about that.

The first thing I envision Khan McKibben doing is dispatching Warden Missionaries to certain Clans as described under the Spiritualist description.
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The Spiritualists propose the biggest diplomatic initiative of any faction which would have Warden Missionaries deepen ties to friendly Clans (Wolf, Goliath Scorpion, Snow Raven, Kindraa Payne, and even old enemies like Cloud Cobra), while spreading their message to others (Blood Spirit, Diamond Shark, Ghost Bear, Hell’s Horses, Nova Cat, Steel Viper), and cutting ties with ardent Crusaders (Burrock, most Fire Mandrill Kindraa, Ice Hellion, Jade Falcon, Smoke Jaguar, Star Adder).
I could also see incorporating Scientific Liaisons as the Technologists suggested in their campaign for office. Speculation on how these endeavors work out is welcomed!

At the same time a new Scientist-General comes to power within the Clan, former saKhan Tain McTighe. Instead of committing bondsref or ritual suicide as I envision former Khan Robin Steel doing (something Khan Hazen did just before the invasion) he opted to retire and join the Scientist Caste. This sort of mirrors Angus Labov from canon Diamond Shark who retired from military service and quickly became the head of that Clan's merchant caste. In much the same way I had thought McTighe could take control of the Scientist Caste and start to reshape it as I wanted. This is different from Elliot McKibben in canon who during the Wars of Reaving went from Scientist to Khan thanks to the Society. And yes this indicates a major change from canon for me as I want the Coyote's to become more of the Scientist Clan like Diamond Shark is the Merchant Clan in this universe then canon's Society.

Reformation (Bare Bones)
This is a big one where the Coyote Touman is completely reorganized over this time. On paper the Coyotes fielded an impressive force of a dozen (12) Galaxies and fifty-two (52) Clusters that could match any of the strongest Clans right up to our Khan Trials. We all know they are undermanned and underequipped (canon numbers indicate 7 Galaxies and 35 Clusters) which indicates 67% or two-thirds were actually combat ready. So first question for you all is how did Khan Robin Steele keep this a secret or conceal this weakness? Binaries instead of Trinaries?? I don't think anyone in the Clan or outside it realizes how bad things really are.

The foundation of the 316th Assault Cluster (Spirit Walkers) is a big change for me from Sullivan Koga's reformation. This is more combat oriented and Clan like IMO. I see this new unit founded on the glorious tradtions of the past beginning Trials of Absorption for Clusters understrength enabling them to continue as part of the 316th. Trials for Keshik mergers into Galaxies would also result in some notable match ups as older Galaxy Commanders have to square off against the saKhan (Beta - Anna Skyes) and Loremaster (Gamma - Vidya Levien). Alpha Commander Pazi Tchernovkov was already killed leaving Khan McKibben to assume command there.

Five frontline Galaxies (Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta, Epsilon) remain with four Clusters each one of which is a Reserve Cluster. This alteration from canon will mollify some of the outrage over the reorganization of the Touman. There are OmniMechs in second line galaxies (Zeta would be a good place) the Clan can draw from to strengthen forces here. 

The big change to the touman would be the disbandment of two garrison galaxies (Xi and Pi), downgrade of Zeta to Sigma, and the addition of 4 new clusters (316th, a Reserve Line Cluster, and two Solhama Clusters). So 39 Clusters instead of 35. Now where are we getting new personnel and equipment from? Freeborns activated from Police Clusters (Third Line) and Second Trials for Trueborns would present a new pool of talent. Spiritualists and Technologists both called for Freeborns and Second Trials for Trueborns so this is a campaign promise. Equipment would be ancient OmniMechs (Coyotl, Lupus, Woodsman) activated as well as Vehicles for the Solhama Clusters. Thoughts??
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